Atheist exclusivism and moments in atheist history.

Check this Oxford university website: http://www.investigatingatheism.info/index.html

And here is the 20th century history of Atheism: http://www.investigatingatheism.info/historytwentieth.html

Quote: "Atheism in the Marxist form is repudiated by many modern atheists, who regard Marxism as a sort of religion itself. Nevertheless, it cannot be ignored as having had a massive impact on how widespread atheism is today."

I am by no means talking about atheist here in america but never the less there is a legacy that must be remembered.

I don't pretend to conflate atheists with all of communism but there is a fair amount of atheists who wish to conflate the heterodox actions of Christians who are not following the teachings of Jesus Christ. The very core of communism was a belief in evolution and deep hatred of all things Religious. If you question why some people are prejudice and discriminate against atheists then remember recent history.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM

Note just the USSR and China figures. This is clear evidence and a deductively valid issue as to why atheism is feared and considered dangerous. The greatest activator for hatred of atheism is any issue dealing with hatred of religion. China would like to crush all religion but I suggest they are barely tolerating religion because of pressure from other nations. As it is this potential super power does not have the greatest human rights record. If atheists like Christopher Hitchens want to kill the poison that is religion then I suggest it is not helping atheists to be trusted or help to quiet the fears of people who want a free and open market place of ideas in the public commons.

If you are an atheist and you want to close off and remove the freedom of religion then how are you different then the desires of the power mad atheists of the cultural revolution of China or the U.S.S.R. The over 130 million killed in the name of power mad Atheists are still a fresh memory of some and atheists need to be objective and factor this in to any hatred you may have against Religion.

http://tinyurl.com/co2uyz

The problem of atheism being a functional and large scale reality has some fundamental problems. Problems that I suggest the oppressive dictatorships of China and the U.S.S.R tried to iron out with oppressive regimes of control.

Even ideas like Rousseau's social contract does not work if you consider the French Revolution as a methidological test.

http://www.investigatingatheism.info/historyeighteenth.html

And if you are exclusivist about evolution as a means to bring up a generation of more athiests do you ignore the bloody history of Atheistm or are you not remembering your history so well. Are you honest and fair minded about evolution? I see the science of evolution as valid but not a proof or evidence for the absence of God. There are many Christians who believe as I do.

Consider this lecture: http://www.veritas.org/media/talks/619

Also has there been any thinking about how the strident fight against ID being taught in school as an activator for Theists fears of return to atheist democide as evidenced in the first link I posted.

More links about science ID and evidence.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/

http://www.davidberlinski.org/

http://johnlennox.org/index.php/en/

http://www.designinference.com/

http://philofreligion.homestead.com/plantingapage.html

If Atheists want freedom from religion then China may be the place to live. Otherwise try to understand what liberty and a free and open market place of ideas means to the continued health of this Constitutional Republic that promises freedom of religion as key to the liberties we enjoy here in the USA. Close that free and open market place of ideas and freedom will die along with it.

http://www.uscirf.gov/index.php

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[dbwheeldon]

Both theists and atheists have been guilty of great evil when they became powerholders so the democidal atrocities of history were not caused by religious ideologies nor the absence of such (atheism) but had more to do with the megalomania of social powerholders. I suspect that the more militant theists and atheists of today have similar aspirations to power. These aspirations to power is the corrupting force of such individuals.

[rusty2029]

@dbwheeldon To say that both are guilty does not negate the responsibility at least one side has to God's commands. If you are positing a world of objective moral absolutes then what are your examples of death and privation promulgated by a theistic worldview in the last century? If one has megalomania in an amoral godless construct then one is free to do all things. Atheism is at root amoral and not immoral under a godless pitiless universe. What morals are you using to make your judgments?

[dbwheeldon]

@rusty2029 how have you arrived at the conclusion that atheists are amoral? 'God' is not the only nor the most rational basis for ethical theory. "godless" does not=amoral. My argument clearly identified the lust for power as the chief cause of the aforementioned evils. It appears that you attempted to raise distractions by the addition of irrelevant info. such as the hypothetical 'commands of god'. My argument was clear, you hoped to dispose of it by tossing some red herrings at it.

[rusty2029]

@dbwheeldon I did not say that atheists are amoral. I am saying that atheism is an amoral worldview. These are not distractions but critical to the issue. Atheists have a God given moral compass and that has not been negated by any ethical theory that I am aware of. Objective moral absolutes mean an origin that is outside of this universe or any attempt by naturalism/materialism. Lust for Power is a sinful activity under Christian teaching. Are you morally accountable beyond death?

[dbwheeldon]

@rusty2029 atheism in and of itself, does not promulgate a prescribed ethical theory of it's own; as any atheist can be a hedonist or an ascetic and still be an atheist in either case. The 'moral compass' you reference is not some mystical inner guide of some kind but points to the moral values one holds and the moral choices based on those values. "objective moral absolutes"=an origin outside the universe? Your thoughts are too incoherent and vague for a productive debate. Best wishes Rusty.

[TheCoxy88]

I wouldn't mined a discussion over creationism in my science class but I do have a probablem with it being taught as a science in public science class. (I don't care if some one teaches it in a privet schools or colleges) Science is a way of expaining something using facts, evidence and observations. And the fact is that an overwhelming amount of evidence is in the support of evolution.

[rusty2029]

@steelbrushtattoo And yet you think to give bible verses that do not make your case, are not being used in proper context and understanding, while the greatest commandment of all is LOVE. I have tired of your trolling so you are banned and have deleted some of the posts as you are not open to a reasonable or rational dialog. I pray that you find healing for your troubled soul and that the love of God soften your heart of stone so that you find the peace that passes understanding.

[rusty2029]

@steelbrushtattoo Do you work at a job? Do you have duties to perform and policy to follow? You could understand this verse well enough if you did not have your heart hardened against God.

[rusty2029]

@steelbrushtattoo And you, masters, do the same things to them, giving up threatening, knowing that your own Master also is in heaven, and there is no partiality with Him. (Ephesians 6:9)

We are to love others and in context this is Paul's words to those who still had servants so as to treat then as you would want to be treated.