609 Would Anarchy Create Governments?

Private contract agencies - will they ride the black helicopters into the hearts of the masses?

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[FatGermanBastard]

100% proof against anarchy:

The basic idea of anarchy is that people recognize what is good for them and act accordingly and that anarchy is good for the people.

The fact that anarchy has not been established proves that people either don't recognize what is good for them and act accordingly or if they do recognize what is good for them since they have not recognized anarchy as good anarchy is not good.

[stefbot]

Right, so I assume that you believe the government should choose our marriage partners for us, and we should not rely on voluntarism...

[NerdHerdStudios]

@ FatGermanBasterd

> All you want then is an alternative (i.e. more democratic) form of government.

Incorrect. The form of government is irrelevant to me if it is involuntary. I would not oppose entirely voluntary governments that did not claim a monopoly on force, but no such thing presently exists.

> Why don't people get that anarchy is...the absence of ANY government.

If you define government as a monopoly on force, then yes. However, I do not oppose voluntary governance.

[ThinkSkank]

@stefbot But it is people themselves that choose to form governments in the first place. It begins with communing over an issue, and evolves organizationally into a system of activities towards specific causes. Eventually, one group bumps into a group nearby and they fight. Then, people get worried and more organizing occurs, only strengthening the burgeoning government. People have to evolve ethically (remember Socrates?) before this concept of yours can take hold. From the ground up.

[AtheistBelgium]

I wish i could express myself like you can stefbot :)

i do believe an anarchist society would be the best solution but i'm aware this will not be achieved in my lifetime. However i believe that one day it'll get there. The other ways don't look very appealing in my eyes

[AnarchysSoldier]

@FatGermanBastard Human beings live for power, we all know it. Once we have that power, and someone trys to take that away, the person who has the power gets pissed off. Simple as that. Dictators send armys against those who oppose them and school yard bullies punch kids to stay at the top. If everyone realised that in this society of "Democracy" that we ar not free, Anarchy would have been around for thousands of years. Your proof is flawed my freind.

[AnArChRiStxseditio]

@Buenzas An anarchist society would rely upon a Civil Defence Force that would essentially be engineers for the society at the same time as being ready for military service if needed. Building schools,hospitals,roads,bridge­s,humanitarian/foreign aid/health and remote services. Preferably not a mercenary organization but a small dedicated unit much like modern special forces would probably be as much dedicated "Army" as we would need (no more than 10K ppl) with the CDF comprising 100K or more

[alternativeangle]

@FatGermanBastard "anarchy has not been established" WHAT? its in 99% of all of our lives. does the gov tell you who to date? does the gov tell you what to do as a hobby? does the gov tell you what to wear? does the gov tell you what to eat? no. this is all anarchy.

[DanMorin007]

Brilliant analysis.

[Buenzas]

@Buenzas Just read practical anarchy, it answered my question.

[MarmaladeINFP]

@MarmaladeINFP Anarcho-capitalism may be a noble ideal, but it's also an improbable possibility. There is nothing wrong with aspiring toward the improbable. My criticism isn't against idealism, rather against the ideal of anarcho-capitalism. I'm fond of anarchism in some ways. My specific criticism is that, if we're going to strive for improbable possibilities, I can think of ideals more noble than anarcho-capitalism, visions more ambitious than a DRO. So why sell ourselves short?

[MarmaladeINFP]

Here is the fundamental problem. Anything can be idealized and explained in terms of idealized examples since pragmatic reality doesn't impinge upon what we can imagine. Yes, you can describe how a perfect anarcho-capitalism would operate, but that isn't the same thing as proving it would operate that way in reality. People have also described how perfect govts could operate. Theoretically, many imagined possibilities might be manifested, but that doesn't mean they are probable.

[Buenzas]

Quick question, not sure if this was addressed. If there was an anarchist society that needed a military for collective defense, some private organization could provide this. If this army was not in the process of defending the country, then these resources could be sitting unused and the person heading this organization could theoretically use them to establish a dictatorship/government. This is probably highly unlikely though as people would outnumber this force and could rebel. Thoughts?