"Why can't God just forgive sin?" Muslim-Christian discussion

A Muslim asks a Christian preacher why God can't simply forgive sin if someone repents, so that Jesus didn't have to die.

This discussion took place at the Gold Coast (in Australia) on the 23rd of July 2010.

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[jeff61177]

I have a feeling five minutes in hell would be pretty horrible.

[Operation513]

@jeff61177 It would be. But nothing in comparison to eternity in Hell.

[Underdogpiano]

@Eian117

People hate God because people say that God is all powerful when in fact people are still being murdered, tortured, raped etc. So where is God there? Is it a God who just watch how we are suffering in this world? If it is that God, which he is if he exist, i don't want anything to do with it. If i can give you food in an instance but instead i watch you starve to death would you still like me? But tell me the evidence you have for God.

[Eian117]

@Underdogpiano From sicence. Idk where you're getting the idea that science doesn't provide solid evdience to back up God. And when it comes to those people who "heal" people on tv.. You're right it is fake. It saddens me to see that but the devil will try to make God look bad. Think about it. If God isn't real then why does the world hate Him?

[Underdogpiano]

@Eian117

It isn't historically nor scientific accurate i don't know where you get these idea's from?

Tell me what proofs there is an intervention from the Christian God on this earth?

Proof me that Jesus really did cure people.

Tell me why aren't there any people now, who do miracles like Moses or Jesus?

And please don't come up with these fake healers/imposters, why do none of them cure people with no hands or no arms? Tell me about Adam and Eve if that's scientifically accurate..

[Eian117]

@Underdogpiano They dicuss these things because they know that there's more to life than what science tells us. The book known as the the Bible is historically and scientifically accurate. Just like how you say that the Bible was written by man.. So are the assumptions of scientist. Science is a product ( guess) of man . So if what's true for you is true for you and what's true for me is true for me, what if my thruth says yours is a lie, is it still true?

[Underdogpiano]

Hell is right here on earth, why are we discussing things that is said in a book that is written by humans ages ago, and which proves itself it is incorrect. People are to busy discussing stupid stuff instead of doing something that actually would help the world.

[MrBigboss20011]

@ceeker248 1 Cor wrote by saint Paul ,Jesus Christ never said such a thing , you Christians Following Paul not Jesus

[ceeker248]

@MrBigboss20011 1 Cor 1: 18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written, “I WILL DESTROY THE WISDOM OF THE WISE, AND THE CLEVERNESS OF THE CLEVER I WILL SET ASIDE.” 20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

[ceeker248]

@akidwaimd On the other Muhammad has not informed us how in Islam God's infinity perfect attribute of al adl Justice is satisfied, which only can mean it has never been satisfied according to Islam which only can mean the wrath of God still abides on every Sinner. Al Adl has to be just a equally perfect as Ar Rahma or God is not perfect.

[ceeker248]

@akidwaimd God's forgiveness is in the fact that He was under no obligation to pay the price, how much the price was and who paid it is meaningless to the person in debt.

[akidwaimd]

If Jesus paid the price for our sins, then where is God's forgiveness. If you borrowed $1,000 and I told you that I have forgiven you the debt you owe me, then I have forgiven you. Then do I have the right to ask for your rich uncle's cell phone number or email because I need my $1,000 back????? I just forgave you the debt you owe me. If jesus paid our debts (sins), then God does not need to forgive that debt (sin)? If Jesus paid your $1,000 debt off, then how much do you still owe me? $0.00