Hell is a Lie part 1

This was in a debate about hell between Dan Mages,Steve Scianni,and Patrick Navas with Gene Cook and 2 other traditionalists.I will provide the link for Dan Mages' podcasts where I found this.Steve Scianni is speaking in this portion(I may add more later or you can listen to the whole thing on the link..just click on the podcast about hell..obviously)

http://hungertruth.com/Podcast.php


I am amazed and appalled at the traditionalists' attack on these 3 men(in the entirety of the debate.this is what ppl do when thay have no REAL biblical defense..they tell you you don't have the holy spirit to help you understand God's son is God or the wicked won't just perish) just because they take words like consumed destroyed death and perish literally,taking the LITERAL few scriptures that supposedly prove the "hellfire" doctrine in context of the OT scriptures that explain their symbolism..If you're a Christian watching this,it is time to wake up..You don't know who you worship!God is love.If he tells you that immortal worms and unquenchable fire are on CARCASSES and that eternal fire means DESTRUCTION and that weeping and gnashing of teeth means anger (which would be normal when one is being judged!)and that the CONSEQUENCES of nouns of action when paired with "eternal" are generally what's eternal as opposed to the action itself(eternal sin,eternal judgment,eternal destruction etc) then you should listen.And it doesn't matter who or what someone is,if they are trying to help you understand that immortality is a GIFT that does not BELONG to the wicked and that souls can die.these are biblical facts.Like I said,time to wake up.

My question to you is..are you going to take what the bible teaches clearly and irrefutably from Genesis to Revelation..that the wicked shall perish and return to dust OR are you going to take a literal few symbolic texts that you think prove something that the bible explains in OT passages(yes folks..the symbolism is explained for you) literally and call it justice when temporary sin that we INHERITED is punished with a literal eternal fire(that the bible says means destruction) and then profess to know that God is love and tempers his justice with mercy and shall make a world anew where mourning and sin and death will exist NOWHERE?Seriously?As an orthodox believer,you believe he will extend mourning and sin and "eternal dying" forever after.That is incongruent with his plans to reveal his glory and his promised way of doing so!By eliminating all the things you think he will preserve.


If you ignore blatant logic and explicit biblical statements like the fate God promised Adam then don't be surprised if God questions your perception of him and the definition of justice and love and reason.If you take symbolic hyperbolic passages literally and proclaim that gehenna preserved what was thrown in it alive,don't be surprised if God exposes your reliance upon tradition instead of fact and reason and truth.I say all this not to seem pushy or shattering of long held traditions that are difficult to sever but simply to point out the truth that MUST be embraced in order to properly understand God and his Son and their kingdom.Admittedly,this orthodox belief confounds me in a most disturbing way.Not because I don't WANT to accept what the bible teaches,but because I understand what it does and consider this teaching blasphemous,a grand and inexcusable error.

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[ShatteredOnes92]

I find it ironic that people think God is so much more loving because, instead of torturing people who don't believe in Him (when there's already zilch evidence), He will just destroy them to bits and Jesus will get very little back that He died for. Isn't He nice.

[howdytheresir]

@ShatteredOnes92 Jesus will get "very little back",huh?I thought Jesus died to ensure immortality for the righteous and an infinite kingdom of peace and bliss.Not to grant the wicked immortality in flames so he can get pleasure from ceaseless unremittent sadism.We sure don't have the same Jesus.And no,he's not nice at all if he can be in peace and bliss forever when Mother Theresa is screaming in agony along with most other people who have ever lived.Geesh.

[ShatteredOnes92]

@howdytheresir i think you misunderstood me, I don't believe in hell either but I just am really confused about the whole afterlife thing. Jesus died for the sins of all mankind, right? The Bible says God wants all men to be saved..so how is Jesus' victory a victory if only around 2% of those who ever have lived will be saved?

[howdytheresir]

@ShatteredOnes92 ..2 %..and you know this how?Sorry I misunderstood ya.He died so that all those who exercise faith and repent can have everlasting life.You always have to look at context to see if there's any qualification,and John 3:16 is clear.God doesn't make robots,so the wicked HAVE to die.Some people have no interest in serving God or being good.Therefore they can't live in his kingdom where that's a must.

[howdytheresir]

@ShatteredOnes92 Makes perfect sense to me because if a man took and drugged and dragged a women to make her do something she didn't want to do,that man would be evil.Similarly,God isn't gonna force anyone to love or serve him precisely because he's just and decent.But it's his world,and if that's your choice,you can't live in his perfect kingdom for obvious reasons.

[howdytheresir]

@ShatteredOnes92 Of course he wants all men to be saved.Love is his predominant quality.But again,since love IS his dominant quality,why would he make anyone serve him who has no interest in doing so?He gives us the truth and the tools.We can take it or leave it.We can choose life or death.We can recognize that we need our father and give him glory,or live for something that brings a swift end and inevitable misery.

[howdytheresir]

@ShatteredOnes92 You can't be serious.*Gulps*...OF COURSE it's so much more loving to kill unrepentant sinners than preserve them in unfathomable sadistic agony of the worst possible imaginable sort throughout all of eternity.Are you a sadist?Zilch evidence that the wicked will be reduced to ashes,perish,and be destroyed forever?Again,seriously?I'm in shock right now.Sometimes I wonder how often professed Christians actually pick up their bibles,much less try to understand it.

[howdytheresir]

@moshowfosho Where did anyone say that sin doesn't have to be punished?

[moshowfosho]

Hell wasn't created but for Satan and His angels.. But because we sinned we face hell for eternity. Sin has to be punished!

[howdytheresir]

@sunshineonra I don't tell people there's no hell..if they actually listen I just let the BIBLE and Jesus,as opposed to the visions of uninspired people,define it for me.I agree that repentance is integral.Thanks.Hell is Gehenna.Gehenna destroys.