Cleveland Orchestra Core Values.mpg

Cleveland Orchestra Musicians ask if the Musical Arts Association still holds the core values they say they do.

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[redpinstripes1980]

englishhorndude, I sympathize with you. Not because I agree with you, but because I, too, was once young and stupid like you are.

Consider for a moment the years and years of hard work and sacrifice it's taken for these musicians to attain this level of achievement. Now consider that the average Cleveland Orchestra musician doesn't make nearly as much per year as the guy who sold him his house. Until you've really maintained that level year after year, I'm not sure you're in a position to judge

[Barongket]

Will our orchestra continue to be "Second to none.", or will it become "Second to some."?

[joshuasoloflute]

@bstuts7914 Yes, we send small groups into schools. And we go as the full orchestra into schools. And we've just announced an initiative enabling under 18s to attend for free. And some of us getting out of the concert halls to play at bars, grocery stores, homes, neighborhood gathering places. A lot of us are constantly doing pro bono work to promote the art.

[bstuts7914]

A lot of this is vague psycho speak.

What are they doing to create new concert goers? Are they sending small groups out into the schools? Are they getting out of the concert hall and take the music to the public? The median musician pay in this orchestra is $140,200 in 2009. They should be doing some pro bono work to promote the art.

[bryansomething]

@englishhorndude

The orchestra has made many concessions but at some point they have to say enough. They are not whining or tooting their own horn but merely stating the fact that they are one of the best orchestra in the world and want to remain that way.

Although petty I do have to add that even if you did live closer I doubt you would asked to cross those picket lines. It is still a top orchestra after all.

[pianosig]

The highest level of artistic excellency is not equal to the highest paid musicians, which is unfortunately they're asking.

[englishhorndude]

@redpinstripes1980 I'm neither young nor stupid.

And I am well aware of what it took to get them there. I'm also well aware that until the 1960s full-time orchestras in the US didn't exist. Yet the group was great.

I'm also aware that virtually ALL other orchestras are being asked for concessions as these musicians showed they weren't willing to make to save the organization.

With the ridiculous assertions in this video, I'll judge it I wish. And if they want my $ they'll deal with it.

[englishhorndude]

Just learned that the musicians were foolish enough to go on strike today. I do NOT support them!

If these world-class whiners won't work for the generous amounts of money management pays them, there are LOTS of musicians who will. Hell, if I lived closer, I'd even be willing to cross your picket line.

Anybody in your rather lucky situation, being paid as well as you are for making music who'd strike in this economic climate doesn't deserve to have a job to come back to!

[englishhorndude]

@englishhorndude

How much weed does one have to smoke before one starts to actually believe all this hype?

Re: the question at the end "Does the MAA still know the difference?" I doubt it.

[englishhorndude]

@englishhorndude

Time for a reality check for this once great orchestra. Way too much self aggrandizement. If you can't get more real and stop just ignoring all those who don't kiss your asses the way you might like, I'm fine with you folding. Seriously.

[englishhorndude]

Creating insatiable demand? With Welser-Most on the podium? Honestly, I can't *begin* to imagine that happening.

Receiving consistent critical acclaim? Really? Accomplished by simply firing all the critics who don't jump right on your bandwagon? I don't think that's the way Szell would have done it... or the way he DID it.