Katyn, see Stalin's order to kill 25 700 Polish POW

Original order with English and Polish translations submitted by Beria (head of NKVD) and signed by Stalin approving killing 25 7000 Polish POW.

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[gkrolik]

There was no order to kill Soviet POW in Tuchola, Poland. Nobody died as a result of single gun shut on the back of their heads. Learn about Spanish flue and typhus raging in Europe after WW I. Red Army POW were kept in bad conditions, some of them died, some settled down in Poland after being relist. You number is based on simple calculation comparing how many were taken prisoners and how many returned to Soviet Union. Other difference, you might think about, is that Soviets were invaders.

[Sexualwendigo]

@BUSH9921 The USSR was run by non-Russians

[sss7773]

In the twenties 85 thousand Russian it has been killed in the Polish camps of death and Poles don't recognize till now it as a crime

[AlbertaWildman]

@abukamoon The Russians were as bad as the Germans. The reason for this is that they acted like a savior, only to turn around and murder those that trusted them. I have no respect for Russians, they have earned my hatred.

[abukamoon]

@bobshenix You are correct. Our own Criminal Class has been hesitant to admit that the Communists were as bad, if not worse than the Nazis. This is because many of them like FDR worked with the Reds and make alliances with them. Also, Communists and fellow travelers had infiltrated our government, the media, and other institutions.

So while it was not only acceptable but encouraged to point out the crimes of the Nazis, the Reds were treated more kindly.

[bobshenix]

@abukamoon

Read my comment again more closely. I am well aware of how much more brutal both Stalin and Mao were in ruling their respective nations with an iron fist. My whole point was that history books have been so kind to both of them that the average person has no idea.

Hitler may have been insane but to the German people in the mid-late 30's he was practically a benevolent dictator. He rooted out Weimar corruption and cared more about German unity and prosperity than anything else.

[abukamoon]

@bobshenix Stalin cared about equality and workers' rights? Do you think the standard of living of the typical Russian was equal to Stalin's? What about the rights of the officers Stalin executed? What about the rights of the 10 million Ukrainians he had murdered?

How can you claim someone who had millions of people killed be considered "flawed"? Stalin's death toll exceeded Hitler's, and was only exceeded by Mao - another Communist monster.

[bobshenix]

Seems like a solid, unbiased analysis to me. I know i come off as a Hitler apologist, but IME to even express a reasonable view like "Stalin was probably more evil than him, but Hitler was out of his mind" has provoked amazing backlashes. I don't get it.

Some tell me Stalin was "flawed" but at least cared about equality and workers' rights. They seem to have no clue that the average worker in Nazi Germany indeed had much higher living standards and more freedom than their Soviet counterparts.

[abukamoon]

@bobshenix Hitler was insane. He was really a tool for interests behind the scenes. Stalin was probably more evil than Hitler. Hitler was out of his mind. Stalin was just plain evil. He seemed to get great pleasure from the deaths and suffering of the victims.

The lesson to be learned is, whenever there is unlimited power, the worst examples of the human race will claw their way to the top. Whoever stand on the highest pile of corpses prevails. That why we need limited government.

[bobshenix]

You're right about the ignorance of the masses; it can be harnessed for evil ends. Still, i think Hitler is somewhat misunderstood today. Killing Jews was never a primary or initial aim... but he did start losing his sanity once Germany was playing for higher stakes than he ever imagined while the tide of WW2 turned in 1942-43.

If one knows nothing about the historical context, and only looks at the whole Nazi movement in a vaccuum, it's easy to see Hitler as no more than a bloodthirsty maniac.