It's Me or the Dog- Shock Collar

Victoria Stilwell discusses the use of shock collars in dog training and her disgust with the practice.

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[GriffGruff78]

@Kzinix Please understand that I'm not saying that e-collar training is suitable for every dog in every mode of training (nor that every human is capable of executing the training properly), I'm saying that the assumption that dogs are necessarily harmed by training that includes any sort of psychologically significant consequence (including the e-collar) is fallacious.

[GriffGruff78]

@Kzinix In this instance I would say "yes". I do not believe that Victoria Stillwell has the first clue about electronic training media and there are far, far too many instances of living proof that she's wrong about the pitfalls of training with electronic media for me to give her opinion much credence. It's certainly your right to keep your eyes closed, but I'm very comfortable that you're 100% wrong.

[Kzinix]

@MrChaunceygirl So the best way to train a dog is to make it feel uncomfortable when it doesn't do what you want it to do or when it doesn't fully understand what it is supposed to do? Sorry, but that doesn't sound like the most humane method at all. If you think the use of e-collars is misunderstood, can you please explain what's so humane about it? And if it doesn't send shocks, what does it really do?

[1PigfartsHereICome]

What does she mean she's not mad at the woman? I'm mad at her! She should know that it is wrong to hurt her dog. It keeps surprising me how little research people do before they buy a pet they will have for 10-15 years.

[MrChaunceygirl]

@josski32 YOU ARE NUTS AND SO IS VICTORIA. These are TRAINING COLLARS. They are humane and the BEST way to train a dog! YOu know nothing about them and are reacting to the "shock", which it is not. Get your facts straight before posting crap like this.

[skantiloak]

my dog is just under a year, recently he manages to jump ontop of our brick fence and jump into the neighbors yard. or outside. consequently i keep him on a 15 foot chain when i am not around. however i still take him out multiple times throughout the day and get him exercise. I have decided i want to get a shock collar and put up a boundary wire around the perimeter of my backyard. i still intend to get him the exercise he loves. what do you guys think?

[Kzinix]

@GriffGruff78 No, maybe they aren't necessarily psychologically damaged by these collars. I can agree with that - but surely it mustn't be a very pleasant experience either. I would feel bad about forcing my pet into an unpleasant situation.

[Kzinix]

@GriffGruff78 I already felt bad about shock collars before I heard Victoria's explanation about the cons. I have read about these collars and the concept didn't appeal to me at all. The discovery that many acknowledged dog trainers felt the same way, was an indication to me that my instinct was right. I hope you consider my point of view too, because I have the feeling that you mainly have eyes for the results of an e-collar and less for the moral aspect of the matter.

[Kzinix]

@GriffGruff78 No, it isn't. What I mean to say is that maybe, just maybe, it is you who doesn't see the errors of his own belief. I probably don't know as much about shock collars as you do, but isn't it a fair statement to say that shock collars make animals feel uncomfortable? I don't want to train my pets that way, not with a negative physical stimulus. And it's true that I trust experienced people (like Victoria) in their judgements, but does that mean that I am 100 % wrong?

[GriffGruff78]

@Kzinix I feel compelled to point out that you're essentially saying "I don't know anything about shock-collars and I don't care how they're used, it's not right because Victoria Stillwell and others whom I assume to be knowledgeable do not support their use and, furthermore, GriffGruff's problem is not that I'm speaking authoritatively on a subject that I am openly unsophisticated about but rather that I don't agree with him." Is that a fair assessment?