not everything has truth-value

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@kautilya33 Do you mean like the following scenario:

If i were to tell a truth telling machine that's never wrong the following statement called statement a: "you will never say that this statement, statement a, if true"
Followed by the question: "is statement a true or false?".

If you think about it long enough, you will find out with your brain that statement a is true. But the truth telling machine cannot answer true nor false because that statement cannot be logically proven.

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[Israe5l]

There are two types, The math will say: there are true, false, and not yet known statements. Then the mathematical ontology will say, there are true, false, and indeterminable statements (like the self-referencial statements that you pointed out).

[pyrrho314]

yes, the old, everything is a dichotomy (or other)... iow, the dichotomoy either applies or not

[PragmaticLiving]

That is Russell's paradox? I like the idea of using 'logical/not logical' rather than 'true/false'. What's with all this 'truth talk' anyway? ;)

[pyrrho314]

no, but it involves self reference and seems to me to be at the hear of the liars paradox... Like in programming, such self reference creates infinite loops. The example I discussed is interesting because it illustrates that humans can understand and terminate such loops. What we lack is logical explanation of when or how to terminate it. A theory of limits for logic, a calculus for logic.

[matrixcmitech]

it is a spectacular enlightenment that takes place &it is inevitable given an infinite amount of time a saturation point is reached within the population & a new world is created. from within the perspective of a virus all efforts are shown as useless to eradicate the human species from our colony. but we have devised a new plan that will terminate all human life on our colony. they will surrender to preserve themselves in the code of our machines grinding them into eternal death 5☆

[UnhappyTestTubeBaby]

That's an interesting way of putting it. Its a reminder that logic is in fact a tool, something that had to be invented, and we can employ it as we see fit. We are not limited to the rules of our own tool. You might also say that we capable of encapsulating the problem and subjecting it to greater, more encompassing logic.

[UnhappyTestTubeBaby]

Worst video filter yet! Well, not really. I just found the halo a little too distracting.

[2bsirius]

I'm so glad that the old Pyrrho is BACK!