TZM: Jacques Fresco admits there will be violence in the transition

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Will this war of ideas lead to real bloodshed. Let's see what Jacques Fresco has to say.

I'm not concerned that the Zeitgeist movement will ever reach a majority of the population. That's just not gonna happen. But what does concern me is the fact that is that historically, ideological movements like yours have been used by governments and tyrants for political means.

The Zeitgeist Movement will end in violence if ever implemented - Here's why : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUVYevaXKT4

TVPchallenge's response: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j4lOV5l3Ac

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[pulifric]

You are simply making no point at all,i watched the videos and you are just trying to oppose something without bringing something better to the table,you are a stupid fuck.

[pulifric]

gradual evolution is what will eventually happen because you can not have a selfsufficient society without great evolution of the way people think and that is just not possible,at least not in the near future.People just don't stop being selfish all of a sudden

[seigneurvoland666]

@unfortunatebeam Lol it's a myth that the british backed out of India because of Ghandi, trust me. Even when they did pull it they still managed india to their interest in a more indirect way. Lol Canada is 100% independent from the Crown? Lies, we're still with the crown and it's sad. Public land and/or unused land = crown land... Stop spreading myths.. Im not advocating violence, i don't believe in Aggression. The people who defend this system will become violent

[nem700]

@unfortunatebeam

As far as Indian independence, Britain didn't put up a fight. It couldn't. I guarantee you, TVP will not come about unless there is a massive struggle, a fight for survival. SCG made it very clear in the video. Your arguments about India do not hold water. In any case, you can't even compare the too. TVP will face far stronger resistance than the meek 1940s Britian. We don't need a massive upheaval like that. We need gradual evolution.

[nem700]

@unfortunatebeam

..rabid capitalism must be replaced with a internationally regulated kind. And i'm not talking about the IMF. People are suggesting a a Keynesian Clearing Fund which has my support. exploitation and imperialism must be rejected and stopped, and yes, that should do it for a while. African development will lead to an inevitable curbing of consumption in the West which will lead to a more environmentally sustainable economy. We don't need TVP.

[nem700]

@unfortunatebeam

If i wanted to say neo colonialism, i would have said neo colonialism. Well, you are obviously a girl. Not that there is anything wrong with being a girl, i love girls, but you are silly and over confident as well as arrogant full of yourself, a girl who is just so unattractive. Try and tone it down. I said what i think our current system needs; A leash. WTO patents and rules must be reworked for African benefit, all African debt must be absolved,...

[unfortunatebeam]

@nem700 capitalism wasn't the only force out there causing society to advance "leaps and bounds" (if i understand what you mean by that). But so-called capitalism as it's practiced today and recently is NOT advancing society. Nothing disastrous about capitalism? O.O I don't know if you mean to say that the disasters are all due to corportism in the guise of capitalism, or if you are just wildy ignorant/blindsighted. The number of disaters caused by corporations are simply too many to list here.

[unfortunatebeam]

@nem700 britain being weakened during ww2 helped. But it was all through Ghandi's nonviolent civil disobedience (mass standstills, boycott of foreign made items, british schools and law courts, the salt march etc) that galvanized the Indian people to his side overwhelming and caused the inertia that but incredible pressure on the brit government long before the war. all without sword or gun. yeah I agree about the more subtle means of control (but i think you mean to say neocolonialism).

[unfortunatebeam]

@nem700 Oh yea lol I'm a "manipulated slave" eh? speaking of idiots. Actually I'm not a member of the zeitgeist movement; however, I'm for supporting people who are non-delusional enough to see the huge corruption in the system which needs huge reform, and trying to do or at least say something about it.

I don't know what's exactly needed (I would safely assume you don't either); I just know something is, desperately. And I appreciate new ideas over stale, proven dysfunctional ones any day.

[nem700]

@unfortunatebeam

There is nothing disastrous about capitalism. Haven't you noticed the leaps and bounds society has made under it? For now, we have to stick with it till we reach the threshold. But it must be reigned in tho. The IMF and WTO must be disbanded as it brings nothing but destitution. Ethical capitalism is the way forward where imperialism and exploitation is outlawed. China's sweatshop workers need a better conditions, Africa needs development investment.