Excavating The Empty Tomb (beyond a reasonable doubt) PART 6

Continuing to examine the strange coincidences between many of Mark's stories and the Odyssey.

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• empty
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• atheism
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• resurrection

[cleticprincess1956]

I bet Jebus was spewing his guts out all the time while sailing. LOL.

[shrikechan]

@shrikechan especially when so many stories are identical, apart from the hero himself. If there weren't so many glaring similarities, if you had to try to see something in common, then I could understand someone concluding the this comparison is nothing but someone's imagination creating connections that aren't really there. But when it's so plain that it seems like the author is throwing it in your face on purpose? No.

[shrikechan]

If people think that comparing the writings of the Biblical authors to the Classic Greek myths is nothing but meaningless speculation which shows nothing, they do not understand just how unoriginal humans are and just how frequently they copy their predecessors.

[TruthSurge]

@smaakjeks And as for falsifiable... I don't think that comes into play. This is always going to be somewhat of a speculation and the evidence either convinces you or it doesn't. :( just my take.

[TruthSurge]

@smaakjeks if you didn't want to read the whole book, you could find reviews of it and sort of glean some of the stuff and what the reviewers say which might just be what you are looking for. search Richard Carrier and MacDonald. he did a review of it. Here's another page about it. vridar (dot) info/xorigins/homermark/mkhmrf­iles/index (dot ) htm

[smaakjeks]

@TruthSurge

So many books to read, so little time... Thanks for responding to my concerns.

[TruthSurge]

@smaakjeks I agree ref the fictional format and disagree ref the Odyssey pt. Many other ancient authors COPIED those older stories and reworked them. I think if you'd read MacDonald's book, you'd likely change your mind.

anyway, thanks for watching! I'm trying to churn out more of these but the faster i go, the more likely it is for me to make a flub that I'll have to annote which I don't like. :)

[TruthSurge]

@smaakjeks 6) interpretability or intelligibility -- the capacity of the original text to make sense of some detail in the new work (e.g. why does Jesus want his Messiahship kept secret?)

All this is covered in MacDonald's book which you would enjoy if you haven't had a chance to read it. There has to be a limit in how much info I include in a vid and how "scholarly" it becomes. I chose to simply let the stuff speak for itself mostly. hope that makes sense.

[TruthSurge]

@smaakjeks

1) accessibility to the author of the potential borrowed text

2) analogy with borrowings of the text by other authors (did other authors also borrow and re-write the same stories?)

3) density of the numbers of similarities between the texts

4) order or sequence of the parallels

5) distinctiveness of special features of the stories

and the last in ANOTHER reply.

[TruthSurge]

@smaakjeks MacDonald gives 6 criteria for determining a legitimate case of copying.

I'll list them in the next comment as 500 char won't do.