A Rant: When Discussion is IMPOSSIBLE

You simply cannot reason with someone this unreasonable. If you expect to antagonize someone for their opinions, yet refuse to justify your own; and if you demonstrate a complete lack of appreciation for the TRUTH, we cannot have a discussion. That is all.

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[ArranoGris]

How is this guy....how is what he's claiming even psychologically possible without being a psychopath or a schizophrenic. Being able to "choose" what you're convinced of? Maybe it's just me but...I can't even fathom what it would be like to try to get myself to "choose" to believe something is true because I think it might at some point make me happy. I can see how how something makes me feel might figure into my beliefs, but to consciously choose it? Just sounds fucked up beyond belief to me.

[ShwaNerd]

@ArranoGris

Yeah I was actually awestruck for a moment several times after he said increasingly absurd things. What's even worse is how he percieved that as me being "stumped" which certainly stroked his ridiculously inflated ego.

[alucardthealchemist]

you've only recently figured this out? lol

I had to deal with this and found out that "a lot" of people are this way, and recently they've been trying my patience

oddly enough libertarians are this way also, I find it ironic a lot of them on youtube fight against creationism and calll them out on how they ignore the truth while at the same time they do almost the exact same thing with their ideology

Interesting side note, do you think the bible could be banned for inciting violence?

[ShwaNerd]

@alucardthealchemist

I don't think any books should be banned; though I would say the Bible certainly contains a lot of morally reprehensible shit, I would not hold the book itself as being responsible for "Christian violence". Rather, the fault lies on the people who use it to consolidate their authority (i.e. the Church) or those who are just too ignorant to critically examine it appropriately and therefore act hatefully as a result.

[StandAloneForever]

I feel sorry for you having to deal with people so "dishonest" as that, but a great respect that despite being around their waist of a mind you can still try and be rational towards them, personally i would call them an idiot and just not bother with them.

[ShwaNerd]

@StandAloneForever

Yeah well the guy continued to raise his voice at me, yet I remained just as calm and collected as when the discussion began. I knew that he was so dishonest that I couldn't convince him to understand my point of view, BUT our argument drew a crowd of people, who saw a calm and rational atheist explaining his position to a boisterous and condescending theist. I may not have changed his mind, but the other people listening surely benefited from hearing what was said.

[LeksServices]

I have the same feeling with Ayn Rand Anarchists. They believe the profit motive will make the world a utopian place. I explain that capitalism is just made to be gamed, and as such, gaming will happen to an extend beyond anyone's wildest imaginations if it's ever instituted as the sole form of government. They tell me this will not happen, and when I point out that there is lots of history proving my point, they get all upset. Worse, their leader said people have to work to pay taxes! o.O

[Raphael2885]

so i know what you mean debating is fine but i hate people that already come with a staunch position and they get offended you dont take thier side, even when your arguments have truth to them, needless to say this person had the nerve to call me closed minded. and remember i never said anything about getting rid of medicinal pot i said to her its a bad idea to allow joe the plumber to go to CVS and buy joints 10 or 15 times a day, or joey jr for that matter.

[Raphael2885]

Dr's thoguht it was perfectly fine to perscribe coccaine to people and morphie was over the counter. once i said that to her and i said this is pretty much this legalization is same debate from the 50's when pot really became mainstream and its probably not good for the general public to get a hold of pot nor tobacco corperations should get a rather deregulated shot at it. she had no other arguments and ended up blocking me on face book lol

[Raphael2885]

i know how you feel, recently i got into a debate with some one over legalizing pot. and i said they still largely dont understand the mechanisms in which it effects neural pathways. and actual scientific documented papers have generated a hypothesis that it may rewire the brain. all she went on about were the pain releif benefits for terminally ill cancer patients. it hen told her most people abuse the medicinal stuff. and i said in the 20's Drs though it was perfectly...

[MinervaInTheBrain]

watch?v=SI_uYyBSmWs

**And a lot of "faith" is what I'd call "effectively, knowingly faking it, while at the same time denying to yourself and others that you faking it"

I have brothers that love Beck, they don't seem to concerned that maybe Beck is crazy at a higher rate than the normal person, or that, maybe Beck is paranoid and scapegoating and fear mongering others for having different views.

[jrev37]

2. If you wanna have a shot at having some sort of "rational exchange" if possible.Don't reprehend god's morality, cuz at the end if god does it, it is right. Objective or Subjective. They could give a FL/Fck about morality. It's god's will. period. You always must first arrive to a coherent shared definition of what Morality is. If you don't share or have an agreable definition of morality then why even bother begin.

[jrev37]

"Believe or burn" see when you finally accept this fact then it will make sense to u why such people would not be interested in truth. It's obvious that if u care for the truth u can't remain a theist much less a fundie. it's what Ive been begging atheist to stop debating xristians about morality. Objective or Subjective is Irrelevant to xristianity. There's only god's will. If he does it, says it, commands it, it's right period. Once u accept this then their answers will no longer frustrate u.

[geminyo]

I hate the way some people expect belief to be exempt from criticism. It's sickening.

[Adventfred]

ShwaNerd, stay away from this Guy !!!

[Sykotix1]

I'm pretty shocked that a guy like that actually chose to take a philosophy class. If he's not willing to discuss his beliefs, then I think he's chosen the wrong subject.