Frank Zappa on Dick Cavett 3/3
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totally agree with him about drugs...among other things
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@WalterLiddy Turns out Morrison was son of Admiral at Tonkin Gulf who got us into Vietnam. Read DAVE MCGOWAN
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From ~ 3 mins in, it's interesting to hear FZ rail against the negative influence of 'bad words', because words are sounds, and certain sounds are more pleasing than others, a fact with which FZ surely would agree. Some sounds and words are more pleasing than others, and vice versa. Here's another example of FZ not thinking fully through.
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Noticed how there is no serious discussion of Zappa's music. No mention of his love of Stravinsky, Webern + Varese or his method of composing.
Cavett as with 95% of our culture are musicological imbeciles.
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@narozzz *Average FREQUENT user, that is....in fairness.....
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@narozzz - so in a sense I relate to Zappa's confusion because my experiences -though more conducive to intentional repeat exposures to the substance - are, like his, extremely rare and thus not easily relatable to the average use, whom I, like Zappa (though for a different reason), generally regard as something like a human-size, slightly-more-coherent-than-yo
u'd-expect, walking, talking vegetable. -
@narozzz - Speaking personally, in my experience with that substance, the sore throat definitely happens, but it doesn't persist long and it's almost impossible to notice more than 10-15 minutes in; I never, ever, EVER get sleepy, in fact I'm about ten times more wakeful, almost like I'm on some kind of psychedelic version of ritalin; it doesn't make me more social or more introverted altogether - it instead causes me to alternate from one to the other to extreme degrees, even minutes at a time.
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Zappa stands on extremely solid ground intellectually with his anti-drug arguments, but for the purposes of understanding what drugs are all about & what makes them relevant (in terms of doing harm/good/otherwise), it's essential to realize -as Zappa lays bare here- that they are all about psycho-biological phenomena. So as weed is a scam in Zappa's eyes, it is because it's also a scam inhis nose and throat. Simply put, his body doesn't respond in kind to the drug's invocations. Very rare.
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morrisons poetry was basicaly like a 3rd grade wirsion of alister crowleys
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Zappa commented on the lizard king because of all this worship, adulation and over-analysis of his work. I must agree with him, and I really don't see much in Morrison besides a reckless drunk. Morrison was not really a very likeable person. But for some reason we have all sorts of people that did not even grow up in the sixties saying that he is god! That is a load of bull.
You people being defensive about Morrison clearly didn't understand Zappa's point. He wasn't criticizing Morrison or his poetry. He was pointing out that the music spoke for itself and that all the absurd over-analysis of Morrison's poetry is irrelevant. He didn't say Morrison wrote "Light My Fire". He's saying that the music is an end in itself and requires no analysis to be grasped. Stop being pointlessly defensive and remove your blinders.
WalterLiddy 10 months ago 21
Both these fellows are American originals. I've never cared all that much for (much of) Zappa's music, but what he has to say here is spot on. If you like it, enjoy it.
Cavett, was just too damned intellectual for commercial TV. Charlie Rose owns the "serious" TV business these days, but Cavett is far quicker and entertained as well as informed.
flylooper 5 months ago 6