Srimad BV Narayan Goswami defends Srila Prabhupad

Sri Guru Gauranga Jayatah

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I offer countless humble obeisances to my Gurudevatma, om vishnupad Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta Narayan Maharaj, and to the Guru parampara and all Vaishnavas and Vaishnavis.

When I first use to listen to my Gurudeva speak, I could barely undestand him. His accent seemed very thick to me. As I became more familiar with his way of talking, I could then begin to understand, at least practically, what he is saying.

I remember when he used to say, "It remembers me"(instead of "It reminds me") I thought it was the most beautiful soothing balm any ears could relish!! I have transcribed this lecture which has been misrepresented. If you have any questions, write me! And Though his broken language is sweet, His intelligence defeats that of the greatest scholars. What I really like about this class, is that point about woman NOT being pap yonah, (having sinful birth and life). He is actually defending Srila Prabhupad by saying this. PLEASE TAKE NOTE: Srila SRILA PRABHUPADA'S WORDS HAVE BEN EDITED SO MUCH BY UNSCRUPULOUS MEN. I have seen with my own eyes and compaired older versions of Bhagavad Gita with newer versions and was infuriated.
This video does not begin at the beginning of his class, and it has a few black spots.


In this beautiful lecture given by Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayan Maharajji, this verse
"mam hi partha vyapasritya ye 'pi syuh papa-yonayah
striyo vaisyas tatha sudras te 'pi yanti param gatim"

Word for Word:

mam--unto Me; hi--certainly; partha--O son of Prtha; vyapasritya--particularly taking shelter; ye--anyone; api--also; syuh--becomes; papa-yonayah--born of a lower family; striyah--women; vaisyah--mercantile people; tatha--also; sudrah--lower-class men; te api--even they; yanti--go; param--supreme; gatim--destination.

is nicely explained.

The editors of Srila Prabhupad's Bhagavad Gita AS IT IS made a mistake in printing the Verse 32 of chapter 9, translation.

They added a dash (-) where a comma should have been. So the verse with the mis-edit (or perhaps even a typo or misprint) looks like this:

O son of Prtha, those who take shelter in Me, though they be of lower birth--women, vaisyas [merchants], as well as sudras [workers]--can approach the supreme destination.

In actuallity the verse SHOULD look like this:


son of Prtha, those who take shelter in Me, though they be women, vaisyas [merchants], sudras [workers], as well as those of lower birth, can approach the supreme destination.

(note that English grammar is backwards )


A woman, A Vaisya (merchant class) and a Sudra (working class) Are not of sinful birth, paap yonah. Srila Prabhupad explains in his purport According to different modes of material nature, men are classified in he mode of goodness, (brahmanas), the mode of passion, (ksetriyas, or administrators), the mixed mode of passion and ignorance, (vaishas, or merchantile people) and the mode of ignorance (sudra or worker class) ........."THOSE LOWER THAN THEM ARE CALLED CHANDALAS, AND THEY ARE BORN IN SINFUL FAMILIES."

Who is of sinful birth?? this verse from Srimad Bhagavatam, Canto 2 Ch. 4 text 18 explains who is PAAP YONAH, of low birth. "kirata-hunaandhra-pulinda-pulkasa
aabhir-sumbhaa yavanaah khasaadayah
ye 'nye ca paapaa yad-apaasrayaasrayaah
sudhyanti tasmai prabhavishnave"

translation:

Kirata, Huna, Andra, Pulinda, Pulkasa, Abhira, Sumbha, Yavana, members of Khasa races and even others addicted to sinful acts can be purified by taking shelter of the devotees of the Lord. due to His being the spreme power. I beg to offere my respectful obeisances unto Him."

Srila Prabhupad explains .."the above-mentioned historical names are different nations of the world."
He describes each one, then he says, "Even those who are constantly engaged in sinful acts are corrigible to the standard of perfect human beings, if they take shelter of the devotees of the Lord. Gurudev explains that those whose lives are full of sinful activities, who eat meat, drink whine, etc etc, are PAAP YONAH. I have transcribed the video so, so if you would like the transcription please tell me.

sincerely, an aspiring servant of the servants of Srila Gurudeva,

Suchandra dasi

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[devarsi]

Barking dog has edited this video several times in a very dishonest way, such attitude its disgusting and envious. People who do like this are enemies of vaisnavas in the garb of vaisnavas, beware. Also make sure you always have the control over accepting or rejecting a comment made by others about your videos.These days its not wise to allow anyone to post.

[suchandradasi]

You are right, I will do that. From now on all the posts will have to be approved before they are posted.

[Jhulanyatradd]

Hare Krishna Suchandra dasi,

there was a post that i had replied to earlier about HH Narayana Swami saying that he had read the first edition of SP's bhagavad-gita and then he compared it to alatter edition. and you quoted him as saying that the second edition was much different than the second and not as good. Without that reply my reply is mostly meaningless. And somehow it dissappeared, but my comment remained. Anyway, just noticed that had happened and was thinking it was not right.

[suchandradasi]

Hmm I guess I don't understand without the other post. btw, I was searching something on youtube and I discovered that my Gurudev and sanga had also discovered this video, and they found that the barkingdog18 had edited the original version of the video. Anyways, if you find it useful, I put the link in the video description. Hare Krishna!

[nandanugent]

@sieluolento Words of wisdom! A devotee is a devotee regardless of gender or ashrama! Hare Krishna.

[sieluolento]

HARE KRISHNA!

Spiritual life bases on peace, not on fighting. Otherwise the mind is all the time disturbed.

One should ask who am I to get on the case of very saintly persons? I think we should stop chritizicing devotes!

I'm ISCON devote and the question about women in the movement is complicated. We should talk openly about it. This is what Maharaja is trying to do!

I really liked the response video, that diciple defences her Guru and prings up the truth.

Real girl pover! :)

[Nemodog]

In closing Id just like to say that Ive been very impressed with suchandradasi, chiniwillly, and 2lasidasi. They have shown great love and devotion to Krishna and their Guru. Their videos are always informative and uplifting. Ive learned a lot from them and I wish everyone involved well.

Respectfully

[Nemodog]

If this video has been altered to condemn Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta Narayan Maharaj of blasphemy then it is in ISKCON best interests to produce the original video and condemn the rascals that have defamed him.

[Nemodog]

There must be an original copy of this video recording in someone's care because at some point barkingdog18 got a copy of it and altered it. Right? Nothing that a Guru of this stature does goes unrecorded. If it isnt available .... why not? How is it that barkingdog18 has an original copy that he can alter and Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta Narayan Maharajs devotees do not? Frankly it is criminal and sinful to take a Gurus teachings and twist them in an evil way. cont.

[Nemodog]

I am not involved with ISKCON or the Ritviks. I have been following this schism within the Krishna Culture. I would like to know the truth so that I can feel comfortable making an informed choice between the two. Can anyone produce the original video of this Guru without the editing? Transcripts are wonderful but in this case not as effective because you are comparing a written transcription that can be more easily altered than the video itself. The original video would speak a thousand words.

[samarthkang]

The King's Elephant walks majestically on the Royal Road while the barking dogs bark from a distance.

[2lasidasi]

Well put didi. You coined it in a sentence. It may not be fun for Gurudeva to do, but if anyone misunderstands Prabhupada's meaning, thinking Prabhupada or the sastras are basing spiritual qualifications upon something as insignificant as gender, race or class, Srila Gurudeva must defend our mission.

[TakeTheRezaOutOfRasa]

When someone is destined to fall, they are destined to fall...

KRISHNA just leaves traps for them to "fulfil their destiny"...

"A FOOLISH DOG BARK AT A FLYING BIRD"

the barking dog here needs to beg for mercy...

I feel for him a lot

ALL VICTORY TO SRILA NARAYANA MAHARAJA!!!