The Great Debate: Lennox vs Shermer 7/10

Does God exist?
Debate held at Wesley Centre Sydney. Question Time between Professor John Lennox and Dr Michael Shermer part c

Category:

Nonprofits & Activism

Tags:

• Science
• Religion
• Physics
• God
• belief
• faith
• spirituality
• Morality
• Ethics

[kelbykross1]

if atheism is a religion, then bald is a hair color.

i didn't make that up, but i think it should be spread

[EllisRobbo]

It strikes me that Dr Lennox is preaching more than providing evidence, which is no real surprise. Dr Shermer is using evidence to illustrate his points, while Dr Lennox takes twice as long to reach a fuzzy conclusion.

[jmg94j]

@niinja2 I'm saying I don't know if there is a higher pupose, and neither do you. If you try to tell me that you have evidence that human beings have a higher purpose, I'm going to call BS on you. I choose not to invent a fake higher purpose for myself and I still find many reasons not to "log out". Objective morality is not dependant on superstitions. I believe that all human beings deserve totally equal treatment including homosexuals, religions don't. Where did I get that moral from?

[niinja2]

@jmg94j

The idea of higher purpose , without God , karma, destiny there is no higher purpose, only local purposes that we ascribe to each other. If you lack even this local purpose in life, if you see no point going on, it would be perfectly logical to simply "log out" of this game of life.

The idea of Objective morality is dependent on "BS".

[jmg94j]

@niinja2 "you need to get rid of other ideas that are dependent on "BS". Which other ideas are dependant on BS?

[niinja2]

@jmg94j

Maybe all atheists dont share the same worldview but they do have a worldview, i think there is even more variation among christians, there are 33000 deniminations

"but most of those consequences are brought on by the people who believe in the faulty idea."

you did not understand , if you believe a philosophy is wrong and if you get rid of one "BS" idea, then its a natural consequence that you need to get rid of other ideas that are dependent on "BS".

[jmg94j]

@niinja2 There is no worldview that atheists all share but one thing we agree on is that there is no evidence of a god or gods. There is also one thing we all hate and that is BS and anyone who says that there is evidence of a god or gods including anything that comes with a god or gods, is full of it. Calling BS on a faulty idea is going to have consequences, if that faulty idea is embedded in society, but most of those consequences are brought on by the people who believe in the faulty idea.

[niinja2]

we actually do prove things by statistics

[niinja2]

@jmg94j

"How is that a belief system?"

the rejection itself is not, but atheists do have a worldview in which there is no god and everything that comes with him.

not believing an idea that is so embedded in society has its consequences, its like removing a wall of your house, you cant pretend it has no effect. It requires that you fill this vacancy with something else, or your house collapses.