REPENTANCE & RECOVERY Lance Appleton the author of "One God Apostolic" recounts his deliverance from drug and alcohol addiction, and shows how God's power has changed his life. Visit his website www.freelancemusic.net
@rain4325 Oh, and I am talking about One God Apostolic local congregations. The frequency of the kinds of things that I am talking about is much more common than what most people would think, I feel.
@rain4325 lack of accountability....among other things. Many leave because they simply can not bring their children into that kind of environment and feel like they are following God in the way he would have us follow him. By that, I mean that all kinds of sins are being tolerated, and they do not want that children around that since they would become confused as to the reasons why it is tolerated, and that they might be led to believe that sinning is okay since it is not dealt with.
@rain4325 First you say if you leave because of the org and legalities, but you finish by saying that if the person in question left because of bitterness. Those 2 things do not have to be connected. There are plenty of folks that leave the institutional church setting to do something different, like home churching, or planned communities, that left because of the first reasons that you stated. The big problem with organized, institutional church is that is usually full of corruption and...
@umbilical007. does everyone else. when I stand before God and He asks me what I did with my life it would be very sad to say well...God it's like this.. the reason I became bitter and lost out with you and left church was because of this person or that situation, and then to hear him say I'm sorry I never knew you.... would so not be worth it. remember Umbilical007 above all else we must be saved. And that means no matter what other people say and do.
@umbilical007. if you left the church because of the organization and the legalities of it, then sad to say you were going to church for the wrong reason, you let the legalities of the organization become your focus and not God. We don't go to church because of what people do or don't do, we go to worship God and that only. I know that if I became bitter and left my church for that reason I would need to repent and ask God to forgive me for that. I have to give God an account of my life as
@umbilical007 so is bitterness and it too can eat you alive like cancer,if you let what happened make you lose out with God it isn't worth it. even if people did you wrong you need to forgive and not keep this spirit of bitterness and holding a grudge. I don't know your situation but from reading your posts this is what it sounds like. We should forgive others like He did for us. when our sins crucified Him on the Cross. He forgave us. so we need to forgive. I'm sorry you were hurt.
@umbilical007 I think you need to read your Bible again. I'm getting the impression you once belonged to a UPC church or had some affiliation with one. Well, I hope at some point someone preached to you, a sermon on the End Times, cause that's what we're living in. To go along with reading your bible, perhaps you should look up 2nd Thessalonians 2:3. There is a reason why people are "falling away" away from the church, and it's not because of something the UPCI did.
It's so much deeper than that! Legalism is a disease, and it has infected the UPC to the point that salvation has become merly a legal point, and not a position of grace! Look, I know you think you believe what you believe, I can't change that, but the perspective you have is one of being too close. if you sat down with someone like myself who can absolutely tear down the sacred cows of false doctrine that have become immovable, you would be left with more questions than answers.
@rain4325 Oh, and I am talking about One God Apostolic local congregations. The frequency of the kinds of things that I am talking about is much more common than what most people would think, I feel.
oldpreach 10 months ago
@rain4325 lack of accountability....among other things. Many leave because they simply can not bring their children into that kind of environment and feel like they are following God in the way he would have us follow him. By that, I mean that all kinds of sins are being tolerated, and they do not want that children around that since they would become confused as to the reasons why it is tolerated, and that they might be led to believe that sinning is okay since it is not dealt with.
oldpreach 10 months ago
@rain4325 First you say if you leave because of the org and legalities, but you finish by saying that if the person in question left because of bitterness. Those 2 things do not have to be connected. There are plenty of folks that leave the institutional church setting to do something different, like home churching, or planned communities, that left because of the first reasons that you stated. The big problem with organized, institutional church is that is usually full of corruption and...
oldpreach 10 months ago
@umbilical007. does everyone else. when I stand before God and He asks me what I did with my life it would be very sad to say well...God it's like this.. the reason I became bitter and lost out with you and left church was because of this person or that situation, and then to hear him say I'm sorry I never knew you.... would so not be worth it. remember Umbilical007 above all else we must be saved. And that means no matter what other people say and do.
rain4325 1 year ago
@umbilical007. if you left the church because of the organization and the legalities of it, then sad to say you were going to church for the wrong reason, you let the legalities of the organization become your focus and not God. We don't go to church because of what people do or don't do, we go to worship God and that only. I know that if I became bitter and left my church for that reason I would need to repent and ask God to forgive me for that. I have to give God an account of my life as
rain4325 1 year ago
@umbilical007 so is bitterness and it too can eat you alive like cancer,if you let what happened make you lose out with God it isn't worth it. even if people did you wrong you need to forgive and not keep this spirit of bitterness and holding a grudge. I don't know your situation but from reading your posts this is what it sounds like. We should forgive others like He did for us. when our sins crucified Him on the Cross. He forgave us. so we need to forgive. I'm sorry you were hurt.
rain4325 1 year ago
i remimber this guy ,, watched him at youth camp years agoooo,,, wow i miss listening to him ,, dont know what happened to him
tepackett 1 year ago
@umbilical007 I think you need to read your Bible again. I'm getting the impression you once belonged to a UPC church or had some affiliation with one. Well, I hope at some point someone preached to you, a sermon on the End Times, cause that's what we're living in. To go along with reading your bible, perhaps you should look up 2nd Thessalonians 2:3. There is a reason why people are "falling away" away from the church, and it's not because of something the UPCI did.
abby10607 1 year ago
Hello Bro Appleton,
I am so happy to hear your singing again..Me & my husband love you..Tom & Jan.
starrose102 2 years ago
It's so much deeper than that! Legalism is a disease, and it has infected the UPC to the point that salvation has become merly a legal point, and not a position of grace! Look, I know you think you believe what you believe, I can't change that, but the perspective you have is one of being too close. if you sat down with someone like myself who can absolutely tear down the sacred cows of false doctrine that have become immovable, you would be left with more questions than answers.
umbilical007 2 years ago