I'm with you on the whole subject: I don't believe PSI exists, but I also believe that it shouldn't be dismissed without closer examination, that a huge lot of the skeptics out there don't even take the time to check the data or to make valid arguments and that a lot of the public just agrees with them without examining their work.
I would also recommend googling Meehl's crud factor. Part of the issue covered in this paper is something of a debate going on pertaining to psych research in general, namely, whether conventional hypothesis and significance testing techniques are the correct way to statistically assess results in behavioral research.
(cont) by science. Basically because of this replication, I figure that it is probably worth continuing to investigate, tightening protocols to remove the possibility of Meehl's crud factor, (or seeing if that really is a likely artifact) and also seeing if we can figure out why this replication happened by meta-analysis rather than from study to study. (In short, what the cause is.)
However, given the fact that I couldn't see any way as to how they came up with the secondary hypothesis they tested (namely that 1 in 4 people should be psychic, when the 25 percent applied to chance expectation with target material), I'm still looking into this aspect with a grain of salt. I'm not saying this is proof, but it is a replication (albeit by meta-analysis), by skeptical independent sources. Between you and me, I strongly suspect that if psi exists, it eventually will be explained
What I can reference is the Delgado-Romero and Howard paper "(2005). Finding and Correcting Flawed
Research Literatures. THE HUMANISTIC PSYCHOLOGIST, 33(4), 293303." I'll private message you with an online link to the article and the journal so you can read the rest of the articles there. This is a relatively mainstream, skeptical, peer-reviewed journal. It is worth mentioning that the replication was done by meta-analysis and they considered the cause of it to be Meehl's crud factor.
Can you give me references of articles that tend to show psi is real (or at least that there's smtg "traditional science" can't explain)? What i'd like to have is references of articles that have been published in mainstream "serious" magazines (Nature, Scientific American...). Thanks you.
Well I personally am glad we have people like this on Earth. He is open minded yet skeptical as well and that is how we all should be. He is careful and doesn't just jump at something because he wants to believe in it soo bad. That is what I do and I need people like this to bring me down to Earth and relook everything. I agree with him, we need to keep doing more and more research! If what Radin says is true, then we will just prove his point stronger and stronger.
I'm with you on the whole subject: I don't believe PSI exists, but I also believe that it shouldn't be dismissed without closer examination, that a huge lot of the skeptics out there don't even take the time to check the data or to make valid arguments and that a lot of the public just agrees with them without examining their work.
ThisOneIsTaken 2 months ago
Thank you for your anwsers! I'll read this article and do a little research on Meehl's crude factor.
When you say that if psi exists it'll eventually be explained by science, do you mean a "new" science or "traditionnal" science?
(Sorry for my bad english: english is only my second language...)
scopein79 2 years ago
I would also recommend googling Meehl's crud factor. Part of the issue covered in this paper is something of a debate going on pertaining to psych research in general, namely, whether conventional hypothesis and significance testing techniques are the correct way to statistically assess results in behavioral research.
aikiboy2 2 years ago
(cont) by science. Basically because of this replication, I figure that it is probably worth continuing to investigate, tightening protocols to remove the possibility of Meehl's crud factor, (or seeing if that really is a likely artifact) and also seeing if we can figure out why this replication happened by meta-analysis rather than from study to study. (In short, what the cause is.)
aikiboy2 2 years ago
However, given the fact that I couldn't see any way as to how they came up with the secondary hypothesis they tested (namely that 1 in 4 people should be psychic, when the 25 percent applied to chance expectation with target material), I'm still looking into this aspect with a grain of salt. I'm not saying this is proof, but it is a replication (albeit by meta-analysis), by skeptical independent sources. Between you and me, I strongly suspect that if psi exists, it eventually will be explained
aikiboy2 2 years ago
What I can reference is the Delgado-Romero and Howard paper "(2005). Finding and Correcting Flawed
Research Literatures. THE HUMANISTIC PSYCHOLOGIST, 33(4), 293303." I'll private message you with an online link to the article and the journal so you can read the rest of the articles there. This is a relatively mainstream, skeptical, peer-reviewed journal. It is worth mentioning that the replication was done by meta-analysis and they considered the cause of it to be Meehl's crud factor.
aikiboy2 2 years ago
Can you give me references of articles that tend to show psi is real (or at least that there's smtg "traditional science" can't explain)? What i'd like to have is references of articles that have been published in mainstream "serious" magazines (Nature, Scientific American...). Thanks you.
scopein79 2 years ago
Well I personally am glad we have people like this on Earth. He is open minded yet skeptical as well and that is how we all should be. He is careful and doesn't just jump at something because he wants to believe in it soo bad. That is what I do and I need people like this to bring me down to Earth and relook everything. I agree with him, we need to keep doing more and more research! If what Radin says is true, then we will just prove his point stronger and stronger.
foreverago02 3 years ago
I have a question: when are you gonna leave your mom's basement and start living life on your own?
Aersis32 3 years ago
skepticsdictionary redid there article on parapsychology, another survery showed 30 psychologists believe, 30 are so so, 30 are for it.
TheDevilsAdvocate55 3 years ago