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Jerry Bernard

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[UniversalismRefuted]

@UniversalismRefuted I have already pointed to one use of the word "world" in John 17 and again, NO it says nothing about any "system". it is talking about people.

1John 5:19 says that "We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one."

So then following your logic this passage would include John himself making his own statement and epistle to be subject to the "sway of the wicked one".

[UniversalismRefuted]

@awakeningaletheia So this segues into your misuse of 1John 2 by saying that Jesus is the savior of "the whole world" meaning "every single person without exception". First of all, much of what is written in this epistle is a refutation of Gnosticism which denied the imputation of sin and claimed exclusivity via "secret knowledge". Second, there are other passages using "world" that in fact only have a limited application...

[UniversalismRefuted]

@awakeningaletheia So again I'll remind you that since the word explicitly says that the wicked are cast into the Lake of fire (even though they're supposedly forgiven) there is not one explicit mention of them ever coming back out. In addition, the wicked are referred to as such (murderers, dogs, immoral, etc) even though they're again supposedly forgiven yet they bear these titles, yet Paul referred to those in Corinth as "former" (1 Cor.6)

[UniversalismRefuted]

@awakeningaletheia It matters greatly who Jesus prayed for because "the world" is in contrast to those whom the Father has given Him. Now if the Father has given "every single person without exception" then praying such a prayer is irrelevant. That would make as much sense as saying "only people who are alive and breathing can attend my party".

This of course segues into the fact that if everyone is saved then why isn't everyone's name written in the book of life?

[awakeningaletheia]

@UniversalismRefuted At the end of Revelation 22, there is still

a. Rulers and Authorities

b. The second death

c. Christ reigning

Yet at the end of 1 Corinthians 15 verses 20-28

a. Rulers and Authorities are no more

b. Death is abolished

c. Christ is subject to God

Therefore 1 Corinthians 15 is further along than Revelation 22.

[awakeningaletheia]

@UniversalismRefuted Why does it matter who he prayed for? He died for not only us, but for the whole world (1 John 2:2). Please O please tell me how I am quoting 1 John 2:2 outta context? I ask the question before you state the accusation because again you guys are predictable. I have heard time and time again that I quote 1 John 2:2 out of context, but nobody ever tells me how. Also 1 Corinthians 15 is the end of the story, not Revelation 22.

[UniversalismRefuted]

@awakeningaletheia And to RE-state, you skated right on by the fact that Jesus excluded the world (people) and in contrast only prayed for those whom the Father had given Him.

[UniversalismRefuted]

@awakeningaletheia Being a calvinist has zip to do with proper biblical exegesis, that just happens to be the logical conclusion for people that submit to the scriptuires rather than the other way around. See the easiest way to figure it all out nis to go to the end of the book. Only a willfully ignorant person would deny that after the clear teaching that the wicked are cast into the lake of fire, from there after theree is not a single mention of them ever coming back out.

[awakeningaletheia]

@UniversalismRefuted You Calvinist's are broken records, you love being the "chosen ones" but can't stand the thought that you aren't the "only ones". Why did God elect Abraham? So that through him he might bless "all nations" and " all families"(Gen 12:3&22:18). They were to be a royal priesthood for the nations, a connection between the gentiles and God (Ex 19:6). Peter makes this same connection when he says that we are a royal priesthood. God will bless all through his chosen people(us).

[UniversalismRefuted]

@awakeningaletheia You really have to do a lot of rediculous acrobatics to get the bible to not say what it plainly says. In other words, if God had ever intended for every person without exception to be saved then there's really no point in having a group of people who are written in the book of life and a group who is not. The bible would say "and everyone's name was written in the book of life and everyone entered the kingdom, blah, blah, blah"