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@100pjp001 DNA information? We're not talking about an SQL database, we're talking about chemicals in a sequence. And sometimes extreme conditions can cause mutations.
Well firstly, I think we should discuss RNA. There are life forms that use RNA for heredity and RNA is much simpler and naturally occurring. Also, what's so complex about it? It's just Phosphate + Sugar + Acid.
No one is sure how life started. Abiogenisis has some support but it's still iffy.
DragonGreenFire 1 week ago
@100pjp001 Look up the biological definition of life. Heredity is in all living things. If evolution get's something right once, it will then pass on to every proceeding generation. It doesn't need to try again every signal time.
Also, you make it seem like life is near impossible. There are cells that survive using only three (naturally occurring) tools. Not all life is as complex as the ones we see.
DragonGreenFire 1 week ago
@DragonGreenFire
is there any outside help to influence the mutations to determine the new dna information?
Another thing actually how does blind chance from random chemicals produce something like dna. dna is an extremely complex thing altogether, it's no good saying it started off simple and got more advanced. dna's needed for the simplest life form even.
Apparently scientists are not sure how it all started off yet, that true?
100pjp001 1 week ago
@DragonGreenFire
Like I said the blind mutations have to be right in some way every time and I don't buy that at the moment. Doesn't make sense. The tools have to be perfect enough for the living thing to live otherwise the tools don't work at all.
Don't add up. And no it's not because I don't want to accept the truth and blah blah, I used to accept evolution and right now I'm unsure about if it happened or not.
100pjp001 1 week ago
@100pjp001 That's what experts call extinction.
Not really. It just has to get it right once. After that, it's just a matter of heredity. It would be fairly unlike for it to work once and then never work again.
Also, you have some pretty high standards of useful. Life doesn't need to be perfectly crafted to do a specific job, it just needs to live.
DragonGreenFire 1 week ago
@DragonGreenFire
Til then it keeps rolling things that are useless to life then? How does that work?
The dice would have to roll something useful every time just to survive anywhere wouldn't it? Otherwise how does anything survive in the first place? and that's my point how does something completely blind produce useful living things that are very seemingly like they were intelligently crafted? like someone producing a robot or machine the majority of the times!? How?
100pjp001 1 week ago
@100pjp001 Built on a foundation of != built by.
It's very unlikely that I will roll a 6 on a 6-sided die, but it is very likely that I will be able to choose one out of ten rolls that is a six. That is the difference between what you are arguing against and evolution. Evolution doesn't just roll the die and take what it's given. It keeps rolling until it gets something it can use.
DragonGreenFire 1 week ago
@Bill1122 You job relies heavily on the fact that chemistry and physics are well understood. I have training in Opera singing, and can play any stringing instrument, given a short while to figure it out, I lived on a farm so using machinery is easy, I'm also more intelligent than you. I've read the evidence that proves evolution, and I'm fully versed in the Bible. Creationism is wrong, God is either false or malevolent, and evolution has all the evidence to support it. Insult me.
theotherdoomguy 1 week ago
@theotherdoomguy no, you don't get it at all even though I've already explained it quite clearly. The word cult is simply a type of name calling. Even now the documentation from when Christianity was considered a cult still stands preserved and in tact. Christianity is an evil ideology, your god is repulsive I am extremely thankful that he is only mythical as if he were real, we'd all be suffering big time.
Vottaro 1 week ago