(1/2) Do Vaccines Cause Autism? Correlation vs. Causation
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Thank you for this informative video. I'm getting sick and tired of hearing people claim that there's "evidence" that vaccinations cause autism.
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Am I the first to say...
THIS (0:11) IS THE REASON WHY CONSUELA NEEDS MORE LEMON PLEDGE
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@BryTee Yes, of course. Mea culpa. Shouldn't be doing math when I'm tired. LOL.
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@419Films Not 0.00001% either.
Look: 10/1,000,000 = 0.00001 true, but for a percentage you multiply by 100, so you get 0.001%
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@BryTee "10 per million is not 0.00000001% it is 0.001%
Inaccuracies like this are misleading."
0.00001%
Pot, kettle, you get the picture. :-)
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I'm adopting your convention of starting a new line to comment, though I shall modify it with a comma for S&Gs.
If I'm understanding your preferred definition of verticle transmission, then I agree that it should involve only the biological pathways that form as a result of child development. It seems ambiguous to attribute infections resulting from what I would term "external contamination" like crawling through a bloodstormy canal in the dark.
Thanks for the explanation!
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The placenta doesn't allow Mom's blood to freely flow into Baby. There's an interface, and some things are permitted through, including some antibodies, but not most microbial pathogens. The only exception would be viruses that infect "placental privileged cells" like CTLs and monocytes.
Sometimes blood-borne viruses infect babies during delivery, which is still technically vertical transmission... although I don't think it should be.
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@C0nc0rdance Thanks for clearing that up, though I have a question regarding the mother-child "pathogen-barrier" if you will. My current understanding revolves around a direct link between the mother's blood and the child's blood. If that were the case, then pathogens (or really anything) would happily move through both unmolested. Since this does not occur, it seems that there is some kind of barrier, or moderated interchange between the two circulatory systems. What is that interchange?
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Herpes zoster (shingles) IS the result of a dormant virus re-awakening, but it doesn't transmit from mother to child in utero... there are viruses where this occurs, where it's called vertical transmission. HIV is the only human viral pathogen I can think of that is capable of this.
Mothers can give passive immunity to babies through breast milk or placental antibodies, but these antibodies don't last into adulthood... only a few months at most.
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@attheveryend I immediately recant this comment, because, as c0nc0rdance has just stated before me, there is no known way this can work and I defer to his expertise. I simply guessed at a mechanism that I had heard my own mother describe as a way that kids retain their chicken pox immunity into their adulthood, although it can return as shingles because the virus remains dorman in the body.
@Faustaao
There really isn't any way to make progress, it's become a partisan issue, so if you decide to engage with an anti-vaxer, be prepared for a barrage with no end in sight. If you want to slow them down, ask to see sources in scientific literature. Most claims are anecdotal, correlative, or misquotes/partial truths.
Your best bet, as with a menacing dog, is to back away slowly and keep an eye out for a handy rock.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago 15
@briankofke
I AM someone in a white lab coat. I'm wearing one right now.
You think the Rockefellers invented vaccines? Hah! It was obviously the Illuminati's masters, the BigFoot Grey Bilderbergers!!!!!! They caused polio with their mind ray beams, which are free energy that travel through the eight dimension and smells of elderberries. Then, they time warped to 1976 and spread influenza to the New World Order through the Mark of the Beast!!!! TELL EVERYONE!!! WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!
C0nc0rdance 9 months ago 6