Refuting "self-ownership" & the "freeloading" hysteria

Some thoughts

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• capitalism
• erich
• fromm
• to
• have
• or
• be
• self
• ownership
• autonomy

[thorsmitersaw]

there are bascially two kinds. Rothbardians and Friedmanites. Its no secret I and most others here on youtube are Rothbardians.

[KenCat1337]

Individualist anarchism (even types such as mutualism) never appealed to me -- it advocated ownership of the Earth, fenced private property, etc.

A book I recommend is "To Have or To Be" by Erich Fromm.

[randytate]

You are wrong. Self-ownership and external-ownership (ownership of things) are not confused by many libertarians. So your conclusion is false.

[randytate]

The assumption that socialism fails is not based on any "freeloader" psychology - it's based on math and history. Fancy terms are not capable of escaping the gravity of these realities. If psychology plays a role at all, it's the primal human drive for freedom that rejects socialism. This is why children leave home. And a home is the best functioning example of socialism. Get that? It's the *best* and yet we leave it. On a large scale, it has proven to be a potent source of human suffering.

[mijaba]

wage slavery is an oxymoron. THIS guy is a moron

[passerby26]

@cloudmonkeys "When I was unemployed I volunteered to work at two organic farms, to build a dry stone wall & to plant some trees in a deforested area. I could only do those things because my parents gave me the money for train fares"

Was that your only option? No friends who would help you? You couldn't use charity? Start a fundraiser? Start a business? Sell something? Take out a loan? Parents paying was the only option?

[passerby26]

Can you explain the difference between experiencing a loss of good looks through being and experiencing a loss of good looks through self-ownership? Being or having make no difference in terms of how someone perceives their appearance. The words you are uttering can only come from you, which implies ownership. If you are just being, then anyone can make your body utter words. Also, ownership over self morphing into authoritarian beliefs is a statement, not an empirical argument.

[enjoiskaterguy]

capitalism is a two way street in which two separate interests agree on an equal exchange. Your analysis on capitalism= "greedy" in some fashion is misleading....look behind you...capitalism got you those books and that roof over your head....oh yes, capitalism must be evil....not really

CORPORATISM is the word your looking for. Government working with big business in which those said businesses are given special privileges/subsidies is the problem.

I enjoy your thoughts. Peace!

[selfrealizedexile]

So many logical fallacies...

You so horribly mischaracterize the concept of homesteading.

[MrSalamander7]

@yeahwotevaman So if I'm walking with my four year old niece and she darts into the street and I grab her arm and pull her back in order to prevent her being hit by a truck, is that not coercion? Is that violent? Am I not morally in the right? Is that not different from economic coercion, for example, between adults.

[EsotericThrone]

As always, please correct me if I have misunderstood your position.

[EsotericThrone]

Secondarily, does your claim to the right to violently coerce those who disagree with you into "abiding" by the social security program you've created not deny them free association? Why could they not simply leave your society and form their own? Your violent denial of this choice makes YOU the authoritarian in sheep's clothing. This is why I respect laughingman so much - free association really should trump all of this petty bullshit. You do not own others.