Im sorry mate but the main reason why Lancia lost sales in the UK primarily was their reputation for rust (the Beta.) We had a HPE for 17 years and loved it, fantastic car but people in the UK saw the rust issue and stopped buying. In mainland Europe Lancia have always had strong sales despite being a more unique mark in the Fiat group. The Dedra and Thema were both very nice cars at the 'integrale' time. Did I say it was bad the new Delta was based on the Bravo?
The HF Integrale was a homologation special, which was VERY heavily promoted to the point where the original car on which it was based (the Fiat Ritmo/Strada-based first-generation Delta) was forgotten. This attracted a fan base that thought Lancia only builds over-the-top rally (and street racing) weapons. That's why the extreme promotion of the Integrale eventually damaged the image of Lancia's range.
BTW, I don't see you or anyone else complain about the Audi A3 being an overpriced Golf...
Not to mention the sheer irrationality (and I'm putting it VERY mildly) of comparing a homologation special to a normal production version.
If you want to compare the current Delta to its predecessors, look at the normal production cars. Perhaps you don't know they even existed, but they were based on the Fiat Ritmo/Strada (first-generation Delta) and Fiat Tipo (Delta "nuova"). And even the HF Integrale had that super-humble chassis at its heart.
I'll tell you why the HF Integrale damaged Lancia's image: It was basically a homologation special, which was promoted so heavily that it attracted a crowd that NEVER had ANYTHING to do with Lancia and quickly identified the brand with over-the-top rally weapons, forgetting that there was much more to it than that. As for the Bravo underpinnings, why are you complaining? The first-gen Delta (on which the Integrale was based) was a slightly modified Fiat Ritmo/Strada.
Dont agree mate, how can a car that won the world rally championship 6 times in a row between 87-92 and had a long history of rally successes ruin their image? Btw the 'new' Lancia Delta is based on the Fiat Bravo, which is no bad thing but still. As for 'the MAx Power' crowd, what kids are driving around in Integrales that are worth in excess of £25k these days???
Which grandfather are you talking about? The HF Integrale? That was a homologation special that ended up being a cash cow (which, in the process, ruined Lancia's image by eventually associating it with the dragster/Max Power crowd). The Delta's grandfather (the Fiat Strada-based ordinary ones with the 1.3, 1.5 and 1.6 engines) has already been beaten silly even by the most humble version.
At long last, Lancia returns to its true identity: luxurious, fine-handling and very well-mannered cars.
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Pinin500 10 months ago
a face only its mother could love. ugly!!!!!!!!!!!
MrRusthater 10 months ago
Well, it has about 190 bhp and 40 kg.m of torque. I guess it ought to be quite fast.
elpgr 1 year ago
Im sorry mate but the main reason why Lancia lost sales in the UK primarily was their reputation for rust (the Beta.) We had a HPE for 17 years and loved it, fantastic car but people in the UK saw the rust issue and stopped buying. In mainland Europe Lancia have always had strong sales despite being a more unique mark in the Fiat group. The Dedra and Thema were both very nice cars at the 'integrale' time. Did I say it was bad the new Delta was based on the Bravo?
kiereemon 2 years ago
The HF Integrale was a homologation special, which was VERY heavily promoted to the point where the original car on which it was based (the Fiat Ritmo/Strada-based first-generation Delta) was forgotten. This attracted a fan base that thought Lancia only builds over-the-top rally (and street racing) weapons. That's why the extreme promotion of the Integrale eventually damaged the image of Lancia's range.
BTW, I don't see you or anyone else complain about the Audi A3 being an overpriced Golf...
elpgr 2 years ago
Not to mention the sheer irrationality (and I'm putting it VERY mildly) of comparing a homologation special to a normal production version.
If you want to compare the current Delta to its predecessors, look at the normal production cars. Perhaps you don't know they even existed, but they were based on the Fiat Ritmo/Strada (first-generation Delta) and Fiat Tipo (Delta "nuova"). And even the HF Integrale had that super-humble chassis at its heart.
elpgr 2 years ago
I'll tell you why the HF Integrale damaged Lancia's image: It was basically a homologation special, which was promoted so heavily that it attracted a crowd that NEVER had ANYTHING to do with Lancia and quickly identified the brand with over-the-top rally weapons, forgetting that there was much more to it than that. As for the Bravo underpinnings, why are you complaining? The first-gen Delta (on which the Integrale was based) was a slightly modified Fiat Ritmo/Strada.
elpgr 2 years ago
Dont agree mate, how can a car that won the world rally championship 6 times in a row between 87-92 and had a long history of rally successes ruin their image? Btw the 'new' Lancia Delta is based on the Fiat Bravo, which is no bad thing but still. As for 'the MAx Power' crowd, what kids are driving around in Integrales that are worth in excess of £25k these days???
kiereemon 2 years ago
Which grandfather are you talking about? The HF Integrale? That was a homologation special that ended up being a cash cow (which, in the process, ruined Lancia's image by eventually associating it with the dragster/Max Power crowd). The Delta's grandfather (the Fiat Strada-based ordinary ones with the 1.3, 1.5 and 1.6 engines) has already been beaten silly even by the most humble version.
At long last, Lancia returns to its true identity: luxurious, fine-handling and very well-mannered cars.
elpgr 2 years ago
can it beat its grandfather?
nez349 2 years ago