Josquin Des Pres -- In Te Domine speravi

Performed by mixed chamber choir "La Caffettiera Stioppeta", directed by Eszter Muranyi, with some photos of their 2007 tour in Transylvania (Romania).

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• Josquin
• Des
• Pres
• Renaissance
• chamber
• choir
• Hungarian
• Stioppeta
• Church
• music

[Strefanash]

@420kronkron

"In you, O Lord we hope" (or "place our hope)

[DelendaEstCarthago1]

Pretty sure it is "In thee, O Lord, do I hope"

[420kronkron]

what does "In te domine speravi translate to?

[davidbwade]

Josquin d'Ascanio is generally thought to be Josquin's nickname while employed by Cardianal d'Ascanio

[AlainNaigeon]

I suppose Ascanio might be a town, hence the names (cf Giovanni Perluigi, living in Palestrina -> Giovanni Palestrina)

[AlainNaigeon]

I was told this piece is by Josquin d'Ascanio, not Desprez (according to recent musicological work).

This is a rather obscure composer, for sure, but both him and Desprez have known cardinal d'Ascanio.

This is a second hand info - I'm not the musicologist of this story :-)

[labdaszi]

For ex. in King Singer's interpretation this work is also quite slow (their performance, I think, can be considered as a standard).

Perhaps you have confused this work with another Josquin-piece, because he often made transcriptions of his own works, changing profane works into secular ones and viceversa.

[labdaszi]

Dear hvsbeary,

this is not a frottola (which is a profane genre), meanwhile it's in fact almost a funeral music, because its lyrics are deeply religious -- so it doesn't have to be conducted too fast. Its translation is the following: In Thee O Lord did I hope  To find pity for ever. But in a sad and dark hell I was, and suffered in vain.

[LazlosPlane]

Not the least bit slow. I've heard it (and conducted it) even slower.

You're just used to too much bad post MTV television, quick cut editing, explosins, car chases, etc, etc.

This is an excellent performance. And, as far as "proper" tempo goes, with this period of music and this genre, no one can be sure with any great degree of certainty what the correct tempo should be.

[Crawfy7]

hideously slow!!