and the current "moderate" palestinian position ..you can call Abu Mazen's position racism, for saying "Abu-Mazen said he was willing to have an international force such as the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), but added, "I will never agree that there be Jewish soldiers in NATO, and I will never agree that there will be a single Israeli among us on Palestinian soil.""" and their jew hating state funded TV programs - see MEMRI.
A movement for a Palestinian state, is just as much a political ideology as Zionism-a movement for a Jewish state. If one is racist, the other is racist. If it is anti-palestinian to reject a Palestinian state, it is anti-jewish to reject a Jewish state.
@boliusb Zionism is a political ideology. One we should be able to disagree with, boycott, oppose and condemn as racist without being labeled anti-Jewish.
your terminology is strange. There is no such thing as a zionist state, zionism exists or existed to create a jewish state. What in your mind is the difference between a zionist state and a jewish state?
The whole temple mount area, and it's not a large area, is very holy. Some areas of it are so holy that religious jews will not walk there at all, other areas they can walk after special preparations, and treat it with much respect. Arabs/Muslims play football and picnic there. This story you mention, do you have any sources online, I don't think it is a well known story at all..and anyhow, it is holy jewish area.
@boliusb I meant the Jewish temple. The story of how the mosque was built is well known. Umar brought a Jew with him when Jerusalem was surrendered and the mosque was specifically built away from what was perceived as Jewish holy area (Karen Armstrong's book on Jerusalem). The issue of the mosque in there is symbolic and is not what the conflict is about. This is a diversion from the real issue ie the actual land on which people lived. Never said a Jewish state is racist. A zionist state is.
" Only when arabs attacked them, did they attack back, and they(arabs) only lost homes when they left/fled in a war the arabs initiated in 1948" And in 1967 when the egyptians massed troops on israel's border and israel went to fight them then got attacked by Jordan and Syria.. so Israel faught them. This is what caused arabs to lose their homes. Wars they started and tried to start. You may think they were right to start war, but be true to the facts.
you can still disagree with it, without lying or twisting facts.. Zionists (a movement to restore jews to their historic homeland) didn't come and steal land, they came to swamp areas and built, and lived alongside arabs. They were unarmed they attacked no arabs when they came in 1880, arabs started attacking them from the 1920s, Only when arabs attacked them, did they attack back, and they only lost homes when they left/fled in a war the arabs initiated in 1948
Zionism is the return of the jews to their historic homeland.(they did and do have legal right by the way, but that aside).If you keep pretending that jews could've accepted absolutely anywhere and it'd have been the same, then you're lying to yourself and it seems you happily will lie to yourself. I told you, Israel is the land the jewish people come from originally. Not America, not Europe.Of course, they didn't come to picnic, you said something right.They came for a jewish state
The temple mount was not destroyed by the romans, the TEMPLE was destroyed by the romans. The temple mount and the western wall is what is left.. You arabs/muslims built a mosque on top of the holiest jewish site. That wasn't the Romans that did that. You call a Jewish state racist. Yet a Palestinian state you say is not racist. A Palestinian state that will not allow any jew.
@casa2000
and the current "moderate" palestinian position ..you can call Abu Mazen's position racism, for saying "Abu-Mazen said he was willing to have an international force such as the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), but added, "I will never agree that there be Jewish soldiers in NATO, and I will never agree that there will be a single Israeli among us on Palestinian soil.""" and their jew hating state funded TV programs - see MEMRI.
boliusb 7 months ago
@casa2000
A movement for a Palestinian state, is just as much a political ideology as Zionism-a movement for a Jewish state. If one is racist, the other is racist. If it is anti-palestinian to reject a Palestinian state, it is anti-jewish to reject a Jewish state.
boliusb 7 months ago
@boliusb Zionism is a political ideology. One we should be able to disagree with, boycott, oppose and condemn as racist without being labeled anti-Jewish.
casa2000 7 months ago
@casa2000
your terminology is strange. There is no such thing as a zionist state, zionism exists or existed to create a jewish state. What in your mind is the difference between a zionist state and a jewish state?
boliusb 7 months ago
@casa2000
The whole temple mount area, and it's not a large area, is very holy. Some areas of it are so holy that religious jews will not walk there at all, other areas they can walk after special preparations, and treat it with much respect. Arabs/Muslims play football and picnic there. This story you mention, do you have any sources online, I don't think it is a well known story at all..and anyhow, it is holy jewish area.
boliusb 7 months ago
@boliusb I meant the Jewish temple. The story of how the mosque was built is well known. Umar brought a Jew with him when Jerusalem was surrendered and the mosque was specifically built away from what was perceived as Jewish holy area (Karen Armstrong's book on Jerusalem). The issue of the mosque in there is symbolic and is not what the conflict is about. This is a diversion from the real issue ie the actual land on which people lived. Never said a Jewish state is racist. A zionist state is.
casa2000 7 months ago
@boliusb
" Only when arabs attacked them, did they attack back, and they(arabs) only lost homes when they left/fled in a war the arabs initiated in 1948" And in 1967 when the egyptians massed troops on israel's border and israel went to fight them then got attacked by Jordan and Syria.. so Israel faught them. This is what caused arabs to lose their homes. Wars they started and tried to start. You may think they were right to start war, but be true to the facts.
boliusb 7 months ago
@casa2000
you can still disagree with it, without lying or twisting facts.. Zionists (a movement to restore jews to their historic homeland) didn't come and steal land, they came to swamp areas and built, and lived alongside arabs. They were unarmed they attacked no arabs when they came in 1880, arabs started attacking them from the 1920s, Only when arabs attacked them, did they attack back, and they only lost homes when they left/fled in a war the arabs initiated in 1948
boliusb 7 months ago
@casa2000
Zionism is the return of the jews to their historic homeland.(they did and do have legal right by the way, but that aside).If you keep pretending that jews could've accepted absolutely anywhere and it'd have been the same, then you're lying to yourself and it seems you happily will lie to yourself. I told you, Israel is the land the jewish people come from originally. Not America, not Europe.Of course, they didn't come to picnic, you said something right.They came for a jewish state
boliusb 7 months ago
@casa2000
The temple mount was not destroyed by the romans, the TEMPLE was destroyed by the romans. The temple mount and the western wall is what is left.. You arabs/muslims built a mosque on top of the holiest jewish site. That wasn't the Romans that did that. You call a Jewish state racist. Yet a Palestinian state you say is not racist. A Palestinian state that will not allow any jew.
boliusb 7 months ago