Atheist Ireland responds to abortion law questions at Irish parliamentary hearing

Michael Nugent and Jane Donnelly of Atheist Ireland responding to questions at the Irish parliamentary hearings on abortion law on 10 Jan 2013. Also, contribution from Senator Ivana Bacik, who is also a member of Atheist Ireland.

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[Joe Sixtwo]

If you are against abortion dont't have one.



[rccaulfield]

Wow well said Ivana!

[Daniel Murray]

look with all your "dear" and efforts to condescend. Yuo are contradicting yourself, making points as if they need to be made when they don't. It is a happy place to be when no one disagrees with you they just don't understand.It is circular logic to start with and end point of a debate, issue etc. saying men have no right to have their view carry weight in this is an end point based on abortion being totally a woman's matter. That is your end point, yet you start with it and dont really back it

[Bumblybee256]

Don't get upset because you're clearly out of your depth. Here's an ANALOGY, you seem to be confused. A person in a family requires cancer treatment- their condition affects everyone in different ways but only the patient has the right to accept or refuse treatment. Having a view on a person's situation doesn't give you the right to force them into anything. It's fucking basic basic stuff. Nope, still not circular and es, men don't have pregnancy or abortion rights of any sort.

[Daniel Murray]

Look you have no idea how to discuss, debate or get your point across. You contradict yourself saying is is not totally a female matter but that it is totally a female decision on to have or not have an abortion!? then you claim saying all the people involved in the issue having their opinion regarded and given value is trampling on women's right's!! My view is meaningless to you because I am male and am contradicting the view you see as the start and end. Circular logic! Ignore my view then.Bye

[Bumblybee256]

Why should I take your view into account in my private affairs? No, pregnancy is not a totally female issue, but the decision of whether or not to have an abortion is totally a female decision.

Yes, a woman has a right to choose not to contiue pregnancy- that's called ownersip of your own body and frankly your view is utterly meaningless.

[Daniel Murray]

well to dismiss someone view like that is nice and cozy for you. Your end point is that it is a totally female issue. This is part of the discussion so to start with that as a given and work from there is circular logic. you believe a mother has the right to kill her child while she carries it. that is anti humanist and shows no regard for human life. I disagree with you view and your logic. It is not a flaw in me it is me disagreeing with your. Sorry it offends you and shows up your absurdness

[Bumblybee256]

And just to clarify- what is my 'end point'? I imagine you would know what talking to creationists is like. You sound like one who has learnt the phrase 'circular logic' and now applies it to everything he doesn't like. I've never said a fetus doesn't 'own' their body, however they do not own their mother's body and have no right to use it against her wishes. Personhood is irrelevant to that.

[Daniel Murray]

you start with the end point of the discussion/argument/debate.. that is circular logic. Sorry, this is like talking to a creationist, you re state a circular point and say I don't know what it is.

You have made no points to explain you logic or how abortion is a woman's issue alone. Goodbye, hope you engage your brain and get the blinkers off soon. A person's body is their own, when does a baby in the womb have that right? Is their a point the unborn become a person?

[Bumblybee256]

Nope, the basis of my opinion is that people own their bodies and it is a violation of basic human rights to use a person as a means to an end- eg force them to stay pregnant to produce an infant. Are you going to disagree with the idea that it's wrong to use someone as a means to an end? Like a breeding slave?

[Bumblybee256]

Um no, that's still not circular logic. Yes, you are consenting to the risk of becoming pregnant, that doesn't mean you are consenting to carry toterm. Sex is not a contract wherein a woman gives up the right to decide what uses her body, she owns her body at all times, pregnant or not. You need continuous consent to use someone else's body in any way. And no, yu clearly have no idea what circular logic is. Are you you trying to argue a person's body is not always their own? Including yours?