Flight archery training with Turkish overdraw ''siper''

Siper ile menzil atışı antrenmanı - Flight archery training with overdraw siper.
The siper (Turkish overdraw) is used to draw the flight arrow behind the grip which allows to shoot shorter and lighter arrows which travel further of course...
Typical flight arrows can weigh about 11, 12, 13 gram and can be e.g. 61, 62, 63 cm long. The grip is not held in the typical Turkish form, usually a cloth with wax is wrapped around the grip of the flight bow and the ''cengi bazi' grip is applied.
The difficulty is to hold the thumbring in the right angle and not to put too much pressure on the arrow with your index finger, because with the lightest pressure the arrow will come out of the siper and you will shoot the grip. So it is very dangerous. The real challenge is to do this with 120 + pound flight bows... What you see here is just training with a 45 lbs bow.
Feel free to comment or ask questions.

Category:

Sports

Tags:

• flight archery
• menzil okçuluğu
• okçuluk
• archery
• traditional archery
• turkish archery
• thumbring

[hackamore]

I've just been reading up on this. Turkish composite bows went up to 972 yards, with many instances of 750 yards and up -- and they used sipers way back then.  So I think the proof is in the pudding -- lighter faster-moving arrows go farther.

[gokmenpasha]

@hackamore Hi, in this video I shot about 230m, but the poundage is very low and of course it is not a hornbow. Just to repeat, according to Adam Karpowicz's research the record shot of Tozkoparan Iskender (845meter) was done with a 140-150lbs bow, with a 10-12gram arrow with a speed nearing 400fps. Btw, the arrows are very thin and aerodynamic, I had originals in my hands they are a piece of art.

[hackamore]

@gokmenpasha Thanks for the info. You can tell just how light those arrows are by comparing to the English war bow arrows, which weight 60-65 grams.

[gokmenpasha]

@hackamore a quarter pounder English war arrow weighs even more. But dont forget, flight archery was done only as a sport by the Turks. Their war arrows weigh about 28-35 gram.

[ThorgalsWalhalla]

@jan1035 ithink the turkis bow is made to shoot like this, but i think you have less lbs, and they are quik too shoot (like from a horse)

[jan1035]

It may be a stupid question, but bows are made for a certain draw-lenght. So in this way don't you over draw the bow?

[itzek88]

die pfeile sind zu kurz

[flamedrag18]

@hackamore yes a shorter arrow is lighter, but it's that lack of weight that can hurt it's performance, when contending against wind and air resistance, you want aa heavier arrow to push through these obstacles. this is like trying to throw a feather and a rock, the feather may be lighter, but the air resistance and wind can knock it around, reducing efficiency and effective reducing the range of the shot.

[hackamore]

I can't believe I am the first to ask this! How far were the arrows going?

[hackamore]

@flamedrag18 As I understand it, the shorter arrows are lighter and therefore go farther.