Near Death Experiences & Atheism part 5 of 5 A.J. Ayer - apologetics

part 5 , Near Death experiencer Howard Storms talks with

link to Atheist A. J. Ayers paper "What I Saw When I Was Dead "

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_n20_v40/ai_6701958

Here is the Audio Archive of THINGS THAT MATTER MOST RADIO very good

http://www.thethingsthatmattermost.org/gallery.htm

Here is an alternative web page that also has A J Ayers NDE paper.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-6701958.html

Here is Denyse olearys Mindfull hack blog, a great blog about philosophy of Mind from a christian perspective.

http://mindfulhack.blogspot.com/

Here is a newspaper article that gives more
detail in A.J. Ayers NDE.

http://www.gonsalves.org/favorite/atheist.htm

here is the 72 minutes of the audio book "90 minutes in heaven" by Don Piper.

http://acu.libsyn.com/show_90_minutes_in_heaven_a_true_story_of_death_and_lif...


Here is an amazon com page for an interesting book by Ken Ring university of conneticut psychology proffesor called Mindsight : NDEs in the Blind. lots of Blind NDEs case studies in schollarly format, Ring comes from Theosophical society perspective.

http://www.amazon.com/Mindsight-Near-Death-Out-Body-Experiences/dp/0595434975...


Heres is Howard storms book : DESCENT INTO DEATH over at Amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/My-Descent-Into-Death-Second/dp/0385513763/ref=cm_lmf_t...

Here is the Wikipedia article on HOWARD STORM where storm says He saw a world wide economic collapse far worse than the Great depression.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Storm




Here is my all time favorite book on NDEs
it goes into crsytal clear description of
afterlife world like an atlas and gives NDE
philosophy clearer than any book I have read.

http://www.amazon.com/Eternal-Journey-Near-Death-Experiences-Illuminate/dp/04...

here is the soundtrack used for this video by Dream theater -pull me under , youtube video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAHfDrak52E


Here is a NDE info web page that has several videos about NDEs scroll down to last half of page for videos

http://ndeinfo.worldispnetwork.com/



Here is a short passage from Luke 16 that is so relevant to this video.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Luk&c=16&v=19&t=NASB#19

Here is another youtube video about NDE's that gives excellent information.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlJXUi-z3Oc

Here is an amazon link to THE SPIRITUAL BRAIN A NEUROSCIENTISTS CASE FOR THE SOUL. interesting book.

http://www.amazon.com/Spiritual-Brain-Neuroscientists-Case-Existence/dp/00608...

Here is the Amazon page for BEYOND DEATH exploring the evidence for life after death by Gary Habermas and J.P. Moreland great for Christian apologists sharing evidence of
Soul and Afterlife.

http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Death-Exploring-Evidence-Immortality/dp/15924450...

I reject Soul sleep, universalism, pluralism, universal annihilationism but limited annihilationism seem to be at least a possiblity though I would never take one mans experience on this, but his testimony must cohere with Bible, here is the wikipedia article on various annihilatoinisms in case anyone is interested in seeing some arguments pro and con on this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annihilationism

Here is the paper Van Pimmol did for his study on NDEs in 10 netherlands hospitals for the Medical Journal LANCET.

http://www.zarqon.co.uk/Lancet.pdf

here is Proffesor Bruce Greyson considered to be the leading expert on NDEs in world talking about NDEs and skepticism.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5319485465648404553&ei=zOEMSbyyH4...

Here is a video symposium on Mind conciousness and NDEs with Mario beauregard, bruce greyson and others
about 10 hours worth of video panel discussions etc.

http://www.mindbodysymposium.com/

here is a short 1 page critique of a popular atheist "NDE debunker". written by University of Illinois philosophy professor Neal Grossman to the Journal of near death studies.

http://michaelprescott.typepad.com/michael_prescotts_blog/2008/11/four-errors...

Here is my personal web page with many valuable apologetics links with many more to come.

http://www.freewebs.com/grandconjunct/

Here is a 49 minute interview with the pioneer of NDE research Raymond moody on
Skeptico podcast. they also have many other fascinating interviews with many people from wide range of perspectives.

http://www.skeptiko.com/index.php?id=29

Here is a video of woman dead for 17 hours

http://www.wchstv.com/newsroom/eyewitness/0805/080521_41d512f9.shtml


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[Lacktardo]

All I saw when leaving my body was an exact but odd replica of this world. Nothing like that religion nonsense angels, hell, heaven etc..

[grandconjunct]

Lacktardo>> "EXACT but ODD replica of this World" ??

grand >> Is reality Odd to You ??? if it was EXACT How do you know it was not really this world you were observing ?? Are You aware that NDEs start with STAGE 1 "THIS WORLD " Real world events like Hospitals floating above your body or ambulance (that can be tested for accuracy after returning) then proceed to STAGE 2, "OTHER WORLDLY" events , Heaven, Hell, God etc?? Yes religious folk are well aware that some people revive before stage 2, So?

[HLecterPHD]

very interesting. gives me hope and scares the crap out of me at the same time. so many questions. im even more confused now. but in a good way. i think.

[grandconjunct]

This is a good place to ask questions, plus it allows myself and others to learn.

[carlindelco]

emmit says that "similar" experience have been performed and shows Howards experience is imaginary..lol that's like saying if I print monopoly money "real" money doesn't exist..lol wacko-athiest..and OBE's are not NDE's I've had OBE's and they are nothing like what Howard is talking about..

[elroy2112]

Part 3> Environment does not make blind people see for the first time during their NDEs or Deaf people hear for first time during NDEs or Jesus to be seen in foreign NDEs guess again mrPoor54.

where you are born is irrelevant though it may explain your irrational rejection of this video and NDEs out of hand without first studying the subject.

Environment explains nothing about NDEs

other than their reality, Atheism offers no explanation of NDE, in fact atheism explains precisely nothing

[jesuskopp]

got to get some sound!

[trpgsinister]

why did they remove the audio???

[grandconjunct]

Ann Rice wrote the forward to Storms book "my descent into death" (see link in sidebar) and she is the one who supported him to get it republished!

see Wikipedia article on Howard Storm.

[MetaphysicsAddict]

ann rice.. the author of Interview with a Vampire? That is very cool. Can you please give me a ref on that? thanks

[ainodmelvado]

You were kinda tuff on him but your points were very valid!

[elroy2112]

Part 2> Howard was only in Kentucky to be a materialistic missionary to unenlightened religious folk at the secular University he taught at.

Your ability to Listen is worse than your faulty reasoning abilities.

Actually it is very common for people in other cultures and countries who have never even heard of Jesus to say they saw a being of Light who told them his name was Jesus, even Naturalistic NDE researchers admit this so your "guarantee" needs a Refund.

[elroy2112]

Part 1> From the bible belt? Gassp! I forgot to check his genetic Origin before taking him seriously! by the way you forgot to mention where you are from, so we can figure out if you said anything true ? Blue Neck reasoning anyone ?

by the way you are wrong Howard was born in Blue State New York which explains his blunder of being an atheist, by your standard Eh dude ?

So if Mr Poor54 is from New york Or San Fransisco then I can dismiss your comments as a product of environment not reason right?

[poor54]

For "Christ" sake, this guy is from the bible belt, what did you expect him to say? If he grew up in Japan without knowledge of christianity I Guarantee you he would not be talking about Jesus. If christianity was true, people from non christian countries (Japan, Saudi Arabia etc...) would be saying the same thing after their NDE's but they don't. I'm sure Storm had this experience, but when giving details it all boils down to him being a product of the environment.