@1914watcher Again you mention a key point. If the Bablyons domination ended in 539 BCE then it was only 68 years from 607 not the full 70. The 70 years were a period of servitude that started BEFORE the destruction of the temple, not with the destruction. I say it again, 1914 is an apostate teaching.
remember remember the 5th of november...wow the watchtower is the NWO of religion! im amazed i really am...ok lets put our cards on the table once and for all...if your "GOD"s chosen people...then explain why you have so many false teachings or extra-biblical beliefs! 1914,1925,1975, the reason why you dont partake of the bread and wine even though the bible says too,jesus being michael the archangel??? WHY DO YOU DENY JESUS BEING THE ALPHA AND OMEGA? make your move...
@Justice4vr Let's get down to 1914. You keep saying that the past should not be reviewed or judge an establishment? 1914 is everything to a JW, Without 1914 there is no 1919, no inspection and no picking.
The "worldly" people claim that the siege of Jerusalem occurred in 586-587, Jw's say 607? Witnesses will say "Who are you going to follow, the Bible or MEN!" Good question! Who are you following? When did Jehovah call account? 539? What does Jeremiah 25:12 say? Kiss 1914 goodbye
@Danmera When I end up having a meeting with the elders I'm recording it. I'll do like you and have them meet me at my house. I can have anything I want in my house. There won't be any of this blue room crap. My terms, not theirs. I was ticked that they brought this article to my wife, but after I read it..... It was from Jehovah! HAHAHAHA
@1914watcher For me, the UN was one of the deal breakers. I cannot comprehend why more don't have issue with it. No part of it means, no part. JWs must shun family? Don't even look at them. Yet the Wild Beast? It was just a library card, it was this or that lame and proven a lie excuse. Talking with the CO about it, my jaw really spent most of the time on the floor. I couldn't believe the lame excuses. There is NO excuse, none, zip, etc.
@Danmera Speaking of the United Nations! You should see the article that the elders brought by on Sunday. It's pretty obvious that they didn't read what they left with my wife, especially if they are concerned that I might be an apostate? The article came from the Nov 2009 Awake pages 26-29 "Healthy Mothers, Healthy Babies"
The WTBTS quotes from the UN Chronicle over and over, then they quote the WHO (World Health Organization)
@Justice4vr I've got a New World Greek Interlinear New Testament here at home, published by the society. You can see the English text on the right side, and the original Greek text on the left, so you can compare the New World Translation with the original. They stopped printing them quite a while ago. Why do you think they did that?
@Justice4vr I'm not sure, I think my last comment got lost. I'm afraid "By reading the bible" can't possibly be an answer, because you won't find a bible verse that says "Jesus inspected the Society and found it pure at the beginning of the 1900s" This can only be special extra-biblical knowledge, which Jehovah must have communicated directly to someone, who must have listening to a direct message from God. Who received this revelation, and when?
@Justice4vr Again, I am imperfect this is so very true, however I don't claim to be the way to salvation, I don't demand that millions obey me to be saved, I don't demand you believe I say without question because I what I say comes from God. That is why you don't follow MEN.
TEST means to look, to dig, to question, to research. And courage, to accept what you find. WT says, oh don't do that, just listen ONLY to us, we are your salvation.
JW's say they are not inspired, claiming they are just "spirit directed." But they fail to understand that words do in fact mean things, and that by definition, inspired MEANS spirit directed. - They also claim they have THE truth....despite the fact that their "truth" changes all the time, and from year to year....their truth of today, (from God) becoming mistakes tomorrow. - So, how can they be SO sure they have the "truth" today?
@Justice4vr Right, we're gradually getting there, bit by bit. The inspection happened, Jesus declared the organisation "pure" How was it known that Jesus had carried out this inspection and found the society pure, without hearing God speaking directly? After all, there is no bible verse which says "And verily, Jehovah inspected the organisation and found it pure" You can only know something like that with direct communication from Jehovah. So who did God tell this too and when?
@Justice4vr "but lord, didn't we do good works in your name and expel demons in your name?" Would that appear as love? Is love unconditional? See, if I love you, you can believe whatever religion you want to and we're still cool. All that love you're talking that JWs have is on the condition that you conform to a set of beliefs. Then if you look at the predictions that didn't come to pass and call them on it, THEY label YOU. Maybe I missed something but what's so loving about that?
@Justice4vr Do not follow men, be on the watch for false prophets, test every inspired expression (REALLY test ever expression from those who claim not to be inspired).
@Justice4vr The fruit? You mean like the background in pyramidology, spiritism, etc etc. Or the child molestation cover ups, or maybe the fornicating with the wild beast, or any other of the vile things they have done and are still doing. This is not about the rank and file, they command you to do this or that, then they hide behind YOUR fruits (see we go door to door, boasting how great you are), to do whatever they want. "do NOT go after them", very clear instruction here. Men=Not the way.
@Danmera "“If YOU love me, YOU will observe my commandments; and I will request the Father and he will give YOU another helper to be with YOU forever" John 14:15,16
(John 15:10) If YOU observe my commandments, YOU will remain in my love, just as I have observed the commandments of the Father and remain in his love.
(James 1:22) However, become doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves with false reasoning.
@Danmera "says who?" the fruit danmera.. the FRUIT. for example John 13:34,35 where Jesus says that all will know that they are his disciples, IF they have love among themselves. Everyone else on this planet is killing themselves in war, EVERYONE even the so called "christians" and only the JWs arent, thats ONE fruit. Only the JWs are known for evangelizing WORLDWIDE in unity "speaking the same thing", thats another FRUIT. The fruit danmera, look for the fruit!!!!
@Justice4vr Says who? The men in charge, the men who "claim" special enlightenment and direction even tho not inspired and imperfect proven false? The men who encourage you to only read their "understanding" of it, even tho it proves false time after time?
"don't check for yourself, that just shows lack of faith, and since we are your salvation, to show lack of faith in our understand, even tho it is most likely wrong, will risk your very salvation. Obey us to be saved" I'll have to pass on that
@The1hope4all Keep in mind that I didnt accuse you of a "diverting tactic" when you decided to speak over Christmas instead of our original conversation of how you people dont follow Jesus commandment to preach and are completely divided
@Danmera put your head back together try to keep up and listen carefully: we are NOT inspired neither did I give you reason to believe that. AND there are two types of people on this planet, those that teach you a false Christ and those that teach you the True Christ and those that teach the True Christ are the JWs.
@The1hope4all they listened to his voice by actually reading the bible and putting it to practice and scrapping that false practice of yours. I dont know why he didnt do it at "the time of inspection", but somehow he helped us scrap it eventually.
As for biased understanding. Seriously? Are you really serious here?
It is a MAJOR theme of the literature. You can ONLY be saved thru them. THEY are your salvation. They alone. You are not fooling me, or anyone else who may be reading these comments. You are only fooling yourself. *head explodes*
@21crosscheck21 Thanks, and God bless!
The1hope4all 1 month ago
@1914watcher Again you mention a key point. If the Bablyons domination ended in 539 BCE then it was only 68 years from 607 not the full 70. The 70 years were a period of servitude that started BEFORE the destruction of the temple, not with the destruction. I say it again, 1914 is an apostate teaching.
earnestlyseeking 1 month ago
remember remember the 5th of november...wow the watchtower is the NWO of religion! im amazed i really am...ok lets put our cards on the table once and for all...if your "GOD"s chosen people...then explain why you have so many false teachings or extra-biblical beliefs! 1914,1925,1975, the reason why you dont partake of the bread and wine even though the bible says too,jesus being michael the archangel??? WHY DO YOU DENY JESUS BEING THE ALPHA AND OMEGA? make your move...
mikey85love 1 month ago
@Justice4vr Let's get down to 1914. You keep saying that the past should not be reviewed or judge an establishment? 1914 is everything to a JW, Without 1914 there is no 1919, no inspection and no picking.
The "worldly" people claim that the siege of Jerusalem occurred in 586-587, Jw's say 607? Witnesses will say "Who are you going to follow, the Bible or MEN!" Good question! Who are you following? When did Jehovah call account? 539? What does Jeremiah 25:12 say? Kiss 1914 goodbye
1914watcher 1 month ago
@The1hope4all Nice to see you out and about
21crosscheck21 1 month ago
@1914watcher What article did they bring to your wife?
21crosscheck21 1 month ago
@Danmera When I end up having a meeting with the elders I'm recording it. I'll do like you and have them meet me at my house. I can have anything I want in my house. There won't be any of this blue room crap. My terms, not theirs. I was ticked that they brought this article to my wife, but after I read it..... It was from Jehovah! HAHAHAHA
1914watcher 1 month ago
@1914watcher For me, the UN was one of the deal breakers. I cannot comprehend why more don't have issue with it. No part of it means, no part. JWs must shun family? Don't even look at them. Yet the Wild Beast? It was just a library card, it was this or that lame and proven a lie excuse. Talking with the CO about it, my jaw really spent most of the time on the floor. I couldn't believe the lame excuses. There is NO excuse, none, zip, etc.
Danmera 1 month ago
@Danmera Speaking of the United Nations! You should see the article that the elders brought by on Sunday. It's pretty obvious that they didn't read what they left with my wife, especially if they are concerned that I might be an apostate? The article came from the Nov 2009 Awake pages 26-29 "Healthy Mothers, Healthy Babies"
The WTBTS quotes from the UN Chronicle over and over, then they quote the WHO (World Health Organization)
I guess breaking up is hard to do? =)
1914watcher 1 month ago
@Justice4vr I've got a New World Greek Interlinear New Testament here at home, published by the society. You can see the English text on the right side, and the original Greek text on the left, so you can compare the New World Translation with the original. They stopped printing them quite a while ago. Why do you think they did that?
The1hope4all 1 month ago
@Justice4vr I'm not sure, I think my last comment got lost. I'm afraid "By reading the bible" can't possibly be an answer, because you won't find a bible verse that says "Jesus inspected the Society and found it pure at the beginning of the 1900s" This can only be special extra-biblical knowledge, which Jehovah must have communicated directly to someone, who must have listening to a direct message from God. Who received this revelation, and when?
The1hope4all 1 month ago
@Danmera Very true, Danmera - every one has to be tested according to the claims they make.
The1hope4all 1 month ago
@Justice4vr Again, I am imperfect this is so very true, however I don't claim to be the way to salvation, I don't demand that millions obey me to be saved, I don't demand you believe I say without question because I what I say comes from God. That is why you don't follow MEN.
TEST means to look, to dig, to question, to research. And courage, to accept what you find. WT says, oh don't do that, just listen ONLY to us, we are your salvation.
Danmera 1 month ago
JW's say they are not inspired, claiming they are just "spirit directed." But they fail to understand that words do in fact mean things, and that by definition, inspired MEANS spirit directed. - They also claim they have THE truth....despite the fact that their "truth" changes all the time, and from year to year....their truth of today, (from God) becoming mistakes tomorrow. - So, how can they be SO sure they have the "truth" today?
GungHo1032 1 month ago
@Justice4vr Right, we're gradually getting there, bit by bit. The inspection happened, Jesus declared the organisation "pure" How was it known that Jesus had carried out this inspection and found the society pure, without hearing God speaking directly? After all, there is no bible verse which says "And verily, Jehovah inspected the organisation and found it pure" You can only know something like that with direct communication from Jehovah. So who did God tell this too and when?
The1hope4all 1 month ago
@Justice4vr "but lord, didn't we do good works in your name and expel demons in your name?" Would that appear as love? Is love unconditional? See, if I love you, you can believe whatever religion you want to and we're still cool. All that love you're talking that JWs have is on the condition that you conform to a set of beliefs. Then if you look at the predictions that didn't come to pass and call them on it, THEY label YOU. Maybe I missed something but what's so loving about that?
Jevachi 1 month ago
@Justice4vr Do not follow men, be on the watch for false prophets, test every inspired expression (REALLY test ever expression from those who claim not to be inspired).
Danmera 1 month ago
@Justice4vr The fruit? You mean like the background in pyramidology, spiritism, etc etc. Or the child molestation cover ups, or maybe the fornicating with the wild beast, or any other of the vile things they have done and are still doing. This is not about the rank and file, they command you to do this or that, then they hide behind YOUR fruits (see we go door to door, boasting how great you are), to do whatever they want. "do NOT go after them", very clear instruction here. Men=Not the way.
Danmera 1 month ago 2
@Danmera "“If YOU love me, YOU will observe my commandments; and I will request the Father and he will give YOU another helper to be with YOU forever" John 14:15,16
(John 15:10) If YOU observe my commandments, YOU will remain in my love, just as I have observed the commandments of the Father and remain in his love.
(James 1:22) However, become doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves with false reasoning.
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Danmera "says who?" the fruit danmera.. the FRUIT. for example John 13:34,35 where Jesus says that all will know that they are his disciples, IF they have love among themselves. Everyone else on this planet is killing themselves in war, EVERYONE even the so called "christians" and only the JWs arent, thats ONE fruit. Only the JWs are known for evangelizing WORLDWIDE in unity "speaking the same thing", thats another FRUIT. The fruit danmera, look for the fruit!!!!
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr Says who? The men in charge, the men who "claim" special enlightenment and direction even tho not inspired and imperfect proven false? The men who encourage you to only read their "understanding" of it, even tho it proves false time after time?
"don't check for yourself, that just shows lack of faith, and since we are your salvation, to show lack of faith in our understand, even tho it is most likely wrong, will risk your very salvation. Obey us to be saved" I'll have to pass on that
Danmera 1 month ago
@The1hope4all Keep in mind that I didnt accuse you of a "diverting tactic" when you decided to speak over Christmas instead of our original conversation of how you people dont follow Jesus commandment to preach and are completely divided
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Danmera put your head back together try to keep up and listen carefully: we are NOT inspired neither did I give you reason to believe that. AND there are two types of people on this planet, those that teach you a false Christ and those that teach you the True Christ and those that teach the True Christ are the JWs.
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@The1hope4all they listened to his voice by actually reading the bible and putting it to practice and scrapping that false practice of yours. I dont know why he didnt do it at "the time of inspection", but somehow he helped us scrap it eventually.
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr So you are saying they ARE inspired?
As for biased understanding. Seriously? Are you really serious here?
It is a MAJOR theme of the literature. You can ONLY be saved thru them. THEY are your salvation. They alone. You are not fooling me, or anyone else who may be reading these comments. You are only fooling yourself. *head explodes*
Danmera 1 month ago