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I wouldn't have recognized Vincent Price if he hadn't spoken! Wow!
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@alguna1965 Thank you alguna! I was so inspired after reading mernissi's books - and all we see is this fantasy in the west. although it is a beautiful looking one, its often what people think is the reality and they don't realise its the fantasy!
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@alittlebitofperil Great point, here. Thanks for standing up and going against popular perceptions! :)
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@alittlebitofperil Mernissi is an excellent author and has written books about the public and private lives of many women in Arab cultures. For many , the harem may have been a prison- for others a way to improve their lives, particularly if they had come from very impoverished backgrounds. However, no way, were these women brainless or passive, or mute, or even sexually available. If one of them had a child with the Sultan, obviously that raised their status......
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@alittlebitofperil The women were not submissive. The whole system worked as maintaining the private women's quarters/family quarters of the Sultan. Many women did not see the sultan or sleep with him. Quite a comples system, where the mother of the Sultan, (particularly in the Topkapi, as I have read it) to be one of the most powerful people in the State. One of the most powerful women in Ottoman Turkish politics,who rose up in the harem system, was a Russian girl called Roxana.
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@alittlebitofperil I totally agree with this. This fantasy, coincided with the Orientalist Art movement in 19th Century Europe. Total sexual fantasy arising from repressive 19th century European social expectations and norms. Most of the women in the harem, especially in the larger ones (Topkapi in Istanbul) were trained and educated, as musicians, calligraphers, artists, scholars, linguists- many serving for nine years, before leaving the service......
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'Some' easterners think all 'westerners' are the same. A little brainless, perhaps?
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@alittlebitofperil ok ill take a look at that
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@Tekirai - I can't explain as well as Fatima Mernissi does in her book 'Sheherezade goes west' - its a brilliant book! x
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@alittlebitofperil prisons how so i read up on them from what i learned the harem was closed off to men...save the sultan but can you explain this some more??
This has nothing to do with a 'real' harem, real harems are not full of the westerners fantasy of the submissive sexually up for it women. They are prisons. Western man's fantasies are so bland, they are always filled with brainless, mute, submissive boring women.
alittlebitofperil 3 years ago 8
THANK YOU.
HelenBlondelTV 3 years ago 3