The Evolution of Chinese Armor 3: Tang Dynasty
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i am a HongKonger (Chinese),i really enjoy our old Chinese culture but not now... old Chinese is a strong and proud country,since Ching Dynasty,we 漢人(Han people) are invaded by the Ching people(look like Han people but not the true Chinese)......the Chinese culture died that time...(i mean Han the real Chinese people)
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@firearthwater song dynasty's foreign relations was just too abysmal lol.
btw without good horses you cant chase away the mongols, even if you defeat them in a battle, they'll just outrun you haha!
that's why song dynasty had one of the most heavily armored infantry in the world at that time.
horses were just too few =p
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@firearthwater reson why song cant push back the mongols is; the lack of good horses. most northern horses are strong due to the steppes that song never take hold of, xi xia dynasty had it. southern horses is far too weak.
by the time jin took over xi-xia, the fall of song was almost imminent but it didn't.
and genghis khan didn't conquer jin, his son did, genghis died somewhere before battle of kaifeng had taken place, the battle of kaifeng was a joint song-mongol seige.
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@StarSpawn06 yeah i think they lacked the idea of an army for the people, to serve the people. And they had a lot of bad experiences with over-powerful generals during the Tang Dynasty. A balance needs to be kept
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I love the funky poses and get-ups that Tang warriors seemed to enjoy striking :D
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There's a lesson to be learned.
The Song had the resources to kick everyone else's ass, but chose to limit their own military for fear of their own generals becoming too powerful.
And China paid dearly for this internal mistrust.
Similar tragedies also ended Buddhist India, the Roman Empire, and the Islamic Golden Age.
Who knows what human civilisation as a whole could have accomplished by now if it was not set back in that manner. :/
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@firearthwater Nah just friendly debate i always learn something. i have no problem with the Tang, I just think the destruction of the Song was one of the world's bib tragedies, who knoes what China could have accomplished if the Mongols hand't snuffed them out
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JudgeDee7 6 months ago
@JudgeDee7 economically, yes; militarily and politically, no.
firearthwater 6 months ago
@firearthwater militarily, the song were actually quite powerful, they held off the mongols longer than anyone else in the world; the mongols took Budapest before they took Lin'an. Politically, they were becoming an advanced, almost modern society, while the Tang were still medieval. They did control less territory than the Tang or Han, yes, but it dosent mean the Tang or han were better, or the Song worse.
JudgeDee7 6 months ago
@JudgeDee7 yes song's military were still one of the most advanced at the time, but song has a purely defensive military, thats why mongols conquered them in the end. if it were han or tang dynasty, they would have taken the fight to mongolia, fight in their backyard, instead of just waiting behind its own city walls and pray they dont attack.
theres a reason people say han militaristic culture died with the founding of song dynasty...a military needs to be aggressive
firearthwater 6 months ago
@firearthwater I never heard people say that. And if the Song had just "stayed behind tehir city walls and prayed for the mongols not to attack" then the Mongols would have overrun Song China in the very beginning. But they didn't; the Song held out a LONG time, longer than anyone else the Mongols conquered, including nations thousands and thousands of miles away. The only difference between the Song and Tang/Han is that the Song had much more powerful, organized enemies
JudgeDee7 6 months ago
@JudgeDee7 Genghis Khan united mongolia because the song didnt take the initiative, and he conquered Jin with the help of Song, so no, they have equally powerful enemies.
but i see you like song dynasty more, so ill back down, im just writing these in defense of tang, thats all lol
firearthwater 6 months ago