Fr. Barron comments on Taking the Discipline

Another part of a video series from Wordonfire.org. Father Barron will be commenting on subjects from modern day culture. For more visit http://www.wordonfire.org/

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[cierech2]

Would you refer to a scientologist as an OT Smith, or a member of wizards and witches organization as Wizard Smith?

Aren't you committing the sin of pride by insisting that people address you only titularly?

[wordonfirevideo]

@cierech2 You addressed me by a title, but you were intending disrespect.

[26ManofGod]

@wordonfirevideo Also, there is no "Attempting" on our(believer) part. We participate in his sufferings by virtue of ACCEPTING his atoning death(which brings righteousness) and the subsequent persecution (2 Tim 3:12)--THIS is what Paul meant! You also said "that the body and its passions need to be ordered or disciplined." The Spirit of God is what gives us the ability to maintain bodily discipline, not some futile act of "SELF" discipline against what has already been destroyed by God (Rom 8:3)

[wordonfirevideo]

@26ManofGod Oh spare me this stark either/or. The Catholic imagination is capacious enough to embrace the both/and. Of course salvation comes through God's grace, but God wants us truly to participate in the salvation that Christ won for us. Catholics find the Protestant forensic justification to be dualist and life-denying. As St. Irenaeus said, "the glory of God is a human being fully alive."

[26ManofGod]

@wordonfirevideo External works will not benefit you anything in the end, please choose to embrace the interior of the Faith.

-blessings Father

[wordonfirevideo]

@26ManofGod Didn't someone say, "if I have faith enough to move the mountains but have not love, I am nothing"? I'll stick with the whole of Paul and not with the selective reading of Paul that Luther bequeathed to Protestantism.

[wordonfirevideo]

@bigguitar22 You know, for someone who claims to hate religion, you seem awfully interested in my videos!

[wordonfirevideo]

@Salvac88 Are two-a-day workouts in the burning sun crazy? Is Camilo Villegas crazy to work out two hours every day? And those are just for success in sports. What about the salvation of one's soul?

[26ManofGod]

@wordonfirevideo This both/and theology of the Catholic Church is ruining spiritual receptivity. I love you brother, but you must adhere to another doctrine, namely that of our dear Lord Jesus.

[26ManofGod]

@Whitescorpian101 I too tried explaining this to our brother



[26ManofGod]

@wordonfirevideo Out of the dear love embedded in my heart for all those who name the name of Christ, I implore you, Father, to take another look at this whole "suffering" issue. And how about we quote more bible, and less St. Irenaeus. His quote is actually very attractive, but it is supremely subordinate to Jesus' testimony. Lastly, go back--and with the help of the Holy Ghost--revisit every scripture pertaining to Christ's sufferings. I guarantee you that God is saying something else.

[26ManofGod]

@wordonfirevideo Your teaching concerning the sufferings of Christ is flawed. After listening to your views, I was immediately reminded of the time when Nicodemus approached Christ by night. In this rendezvous, Nicodemus spiritual incompetence is revealed through his inability to understand Christ's doctrine of "being born again." "Are thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things," is Christ's response to this ignorance. I pray to the father (no other MAN) that you come unto truth.

[TibbieT]

Father Barron points out in another video the three levels of temptation, by which satan tempted Jesus Christ, and also tempts us human beings on a daily basis: at the 1st and lowest level: Food, Sex, Drink & Pleasure;

then at the 2nd level: Fame & Glory, the admiration of our fellow man;

and at the 3rd level: Power, even secret power wielded behind the scenes.

His explanation of those 3 levels, and how people may resist one or two levels, only to fall to the third, is invaluable

[TibbieT]

I think Father Barron gives an excellent explanation of this question of "disciplining the body". As a Protestant, I used to scorn the celibacy of Catholic priests as unnecessary & unhealthy, but after reading about the absolute primacy of sex in all satanic rituals and practices, I realized that sex is one of the easiest traps satan sets for us. Priests & nuns are not robots, but normal human beings with normal desires, which they overcome by supreme self-discipline and dedication to God.