"Free Will vs. Omniscience" Responce to Theophage

rusty2029's webcam video March 22, 2011 05:51 PM

Links:

http://benstanhope.blogspot.com/2010/12/is-god-bound-by-laws-of-logic.html

http://www.math.hawaii.edu/~dale/godel/godel.html

Sorry the video is so poor

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• religion
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[Mike10four]

Free will is confined to the Laws of Nature. In time, from a random thought a choice begins the pursuit of a future objective; in the present, an emotional response to the accomplishment of an objective; for in the past, there are side effects echoing throughout time, from previous objectives; effecting future thoughts as in experience manifesting in knowledge and virtue, as in the “love of wisdom;” hence, philosophy. Free will is associated with our unalienable Rights, see my channel video.

[rusty2029]

Pt2. A free will entails that God can not fully reveal Himself if we are to lack being compelled to believe in a God. God can still be a properly basic belief if we are then in a possible world that requires free will and that God must purpose His free will so that we are not improperly compelled by the full revelation of God's glory. I grant that this theodicy entails God can only reveal Himself by minimally sufficient evidence. Indirect means like inspiration or personal revelation.

[rusty2029]

@Theophage Then I hope you can grant that we are talking of an ontic realm known as theodicy. If you concede that what you are doing is an atheodicy or ontological argumentation for the impossibility of a Christian God you may have run into a category error that begs the question of what is a robot god? Let's go with a premise of the hiddenness of God in that if God is to grant free will we have the free will choice to deny God's existence thus hiddenness. Cont....

[Theophage]

@rusty2029 I don't think that "knowing god fully" is part of the problem here. Either God does have certain known traits, or He does not. If He does, then certain logical inferences can be made from what we know.

I'm reading through the links you provided now.

Am I thinking in a materialist box? Not especially. I am thinking within a logically consistent box, and what ever doesn't make the grade is kicked out. But I'm always open to new information and changing my mind.

[rusty2029]

@Theophage Given that the Bible is God's inspired but minimal communication with His creation even God establishes that we can not know Him fully. This is an inference that only a godlike powerful mind can fully know the entailment's and character of God. Granted strong omniscience can be a problem. Even the usage of language can be a problem if one thinks of a Gordian knot of mobius loops and then hope to untie all the entailment's. I ask if you are thinking in a materialist box?

[Theophage]

@SeruQuik Most theists believe that God has strong omniscience. These theists also argue that God's properties are necessary (God cannot be any other way). I can't disprove every possible kind of God, but how far can you change god's attributes and yet still call Him God?