Cesar Millan Kicking Dogs

Retarded comments from the Millan apologists.
1) It's not a kick
2) Dogs do it
3) Jealous
4) He's on TV
5) Millan is just being dominant.

Category:

Pets & Animals

Tags:

• millan
• whisperer
• abuse
• kick
• kicking
• cruelty
• dog
• dominance
• pack

[countingstarlight]

I don't see any kicking here. He is giving the dog a bump, same as you would touch a child on the shoulder or grab their hand to stop them from doing something bad. I work with dogs and horses and both animals sometimes need something to literally jerk them out of their bad habit! I am NOT saying it is okay to use that as an excuse to harm an animal, just that I believe you're wrong where Cesar is concerned.

[Asrugan]

Ok, I watched it with an open mind, and I can't find much fault here. The folks crying about this are the same ones who would turn a parent into the police on child abuse charges after one firm spank to the bum. Get over your high and might pretexts and live it a little, you might see things differently.

[SilverWolfShoot]

@mydogkanskidrums but most dogs cesar adresses has proven themselvs impervious to training. Or the owners cant manage the methodes. It might then be an idea to reset the dog to tank and state as it were before owners ruined it. That is known as omega approach. And I much perfer some level of discomfort to the dogs if the alternative is termination or cageing or simply back yard storage.

[1AussieAvenger1]

@mydogkanskidrums if dogs are brought up properly then there's no problems. you can teach an old dog new tricks, just depends on method for each dog. most respond well to 'pack mentality' and a strong leader. CM uses this a lot. not always the best way but definately effective. i train dogs to walk without leads and stay behind their owners. all learn quickly and stay behind the right leg. say 'get behind' and they do, say 'go' and they go for it. i control the dog... watch a wolf video or 2.

[mydogkanskidrums]

@SilverWolfShoot I am not bestowing any internal commentary on the dog at all. I am suggesting that Millan's corrections are stressing the dog out- pushing the dog overthreshold- so much so that the dog displays these self-directed, calming signals to both appease and regulate their increasing stress levels. The pure fact that the dog exhibits these signals implies they are distressed, and a distressed dog is not the best dog to train. Check out the terms behavioural fallout & flooding.

[SilverWolfShoot]

@mydogkanskidrums It can mean "I have understood that something I did, an action on my part caused you displeasure. Now you don´t need to express any more displeasure with me but show me what part was unwanted" And if a dog has learned a behavior wrongly it can take a lot of time to correct that.

It is not expressing "Calm down you are correcting/punishing me unjustly". And that seems to be your definition (if it is not I apologize, bit that is what it seems to be).

[mydogkanskidrums]

...When he sees something he perceives as 'wrong' he corrects them. If I was teaching you something, say maths, and every time you made a mistake, I could slap you across the face- would that be useful? Isn't that part of human communication? There are greater issues here with Millan's methods, which he decorates as being 'natural' when really they are nothing of the sort.

[mydogkanskidrums]

@SilverWolfShoot My issue with your definition of calming signals is that it is hugely anthropomorphic and suggestive. There is not evidence that dogs think "I have understood" (understood what? That they get hurt?) or "...time to move on" after being given a correction. This is called positive punishment, part of operant conditioning. Calming signals are stress induced, in this case, a lot of them being signs of distress. CM's tools are built on physical punishment not ritual communication...

[SilverWolfShoot]

@mydogkanskidrums Yes they do, and I can back that up with several books and research papers from acclaimed experts. Among them Fredrik Steen.

And results from dogtraining might or might not be as effective as other metodes, one shuld never limit one self to just one set of tools, the metodes of CM has there place in dog communication. Some dogs are not acceptable to "soft" metodes and some are not responsive to food awards. There must be other ways than terminating these animals dont you agree

[mydogkanskidrums]

@SilverWolfShoot I completely agree and I am not implying that professionals are always the best educated! For my earlier posts, check out my facts animal behaviour, applied animal behaviour, animal cognition etc., journals, websites like 'The family dog project', professionals such as Dr Ian Dunbar, Dr John Bradshaw, Dr Patricia McConnell. There are many to choose from.

[mydogkanskidrums]

@SilverWolfShoot 1) That website confuses evidence from wild packs and captive packs, two different scenarios completely. Check out Mech (1999) for more information on natural population behaviour, 2) physical aggression is the exception not the norm. Where it is used instead of ritualized gestures, it is usually due to unpredictable ecological conditions. 5) no, it doesn't depend on breed at all. Even hunting hounds are artificially kept together- it is not a natural pack. 

[mydogkanskidrums]

@SilverWolfShoot The behaviours exhibited before Millan's correction are irrelevant. No dog deserves to be subjected to what Millan does as it is likely to result in behavioural fallout and is at best just short of animal abuse (although, I think it is well in the domains of animal abuse). The signals I mentioned are both self-directed displacement behaviours and communicative calming or cut-off signals, which are similar across animal species. They don't mean what you have proposed.