Heavens Gate is a work of art albeit, a little too long. To ask art (it) to translate itself into cashflow is like asking sliced prime rib of beef to make of itself a ham sandwich. It could've been done better, for sure and it should've been managed better by the studio. What passes for movies nowadays should be shown out on the Nevada atomic test sites in open-air venues where you're given shovels to dig trenches from which you can watch them from a safe distance.
The Johnson County War and what led up to it was certainly a story that movie-goers have loved. SHANE is of/about the types of goings-on that led to it and it changed movie history. Filmed in Jackson Hole through telephoto lenses to make everything in focus SHANE was thrilling, visually. If Heaven's Gate had been made by a less compulsive, more financially realistic director and if Cimino had stuck exactly to the history of the Johnson County War he might've succeeded in his goal of perfection.
@cerclerouge Nobody said that 'all' of Europe saw Heaven's Gate as an accomplished work of art. It was simply stated that European critics saw it that way. Obviously not every critic thought it was great but that isn't the point. The point was that it was well received in Europe, and not in America. There are no time for specifics in a documentary like this.
I'd say by Europe they mean France, Germany, Italy etc. the 'big' countries
It's also odd to me that a director like Welles had complete control and yet he always finished under budget and under schedule. I don't think (as the ending has said) it had anything to do with money or anything, it was just the business people wanted to take over the movie people in order to manipulate people and sell products and make more money. As Daffoe stated it's hard to see how films are better off.
@EricAKATheBelgianGuy So do I. People didn't complain that 2001 was long or obscure or that The Human Condition was 9 1/2 hours long. The press killed the film and blurred any opinions people may have had.
Thanks for the upload. Gene Shalit was an idiot.
servo90 3 weeks ago
Thanks greatly for this upload. It's really helped with the research for my book.
grtas1 2 months ago
Heavens Gate is a work of art albeit, a little too long. To ask art (it) to translate itself into cashflow is like asking sliced prime rib of beef to make of itself a ham sandwich. It could've been done better, for sure and it should've been managed better by the studio. What passes for movies nowadays should be shown out on the Nevada atomic test sites in open-air venues where you're given shovels to dig trenches from which you can watch them from a safe distance.
AllusCats 2 months ago
The Johnson County War and what led up to it was certainly a story that movie-goers have loved. SHANE is of/about the types of goings-on that led to it and it changed movie history. Filmed in Jackson Hole through telephoto lenses to make everything in focus SHANE was thrilling, visually. If Heaven's Gate had been made by a less compulsive, more financially realistic director and if Cimino had stuck exactly to the history of the Johnson County War he might've succeeded in his goal of perfection.
AllusCats 2 months ago
@Urvy1A
I don't know. Twilight and Transformers were far bigger hits in the USA than in Europe.
Bladerunner and Once Upon A Time in the west were well received in Europe.
I rest my case.
McLarenMercedes 2 months ago
@cerclerouge Nobody said that 'all' of Europe saw Heaven's Gate as an accomplished work of art. It was simply stated that European critics saw it that way. Obviously not every critic thought it was great but that isn't the point. The point was that it was well received in Europe, and not in America. There are no time for specifics in a documentary like this.
I'd say by Europe they mean France, Germany, Italy etc. the 'big' countries
lamentate07 2 months ago
At 0:57. Now that's an afro!
Jdub14000 3 months ago
@Urvy1A nah... lately we are getting used to loving good ones, like "transformers"
MassimoPiai 3 months ago
It's also odd to me that a director like Welles had complete control and yet he always finished under budget and under schedule. I don't think (as the ending has said) it had anything to do with money or anything, it was just the business people wanted to take over the movie people in order to manipulate people and sell products and make more money. As Daffoe stated it's hard to see how films are better off.
EverettDudgeon138 4 months ago
@EricAKATheBelgianGuy So do I. People didn't complain that 2001 was long or obscure or that The Human Condition was 9 1/2 hours long. The press killed the film and blurred any opinions people may have had.
EverettDudgeon138 4 months ago