Dogfights! Gun Kills of Vietnam A-1 Skyraider vs Mig-17

Original story: http://www.vnafmamn.com/Skyraider_vs_MIG17.html
Original TV episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvrdNUuTHMU at 7:10

You want high tech? 2 American pilots down a sleek jet in their prop powered POJs. Skyraiders job was to supress ground forces for rescue choppers, not tangle with jet Migs, but there you have it. Near as I can tell, A-1 shot down more MiGs than the A-4 Skyhawk, A-6 Intruder, F-100, F-104 and F-111 combined (I think a total of zero)

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The A-1 still flies in spirit - its replacement was the AX / A-10 Warthog.

I want to do a similar one F-105 vs MiG-17, except the MIG is the piece of junk that wins.

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[matoy77]

Hahahaha, fantastic. Thumbs up. 

[biukucanoe]

@matoy77 Please nominate another famous dogfight you'd like to see....

[headdownharris]

"piece of junk" ???

[biukucanoe]

@headdownharris Actually one of the most magnificent prop planes ever produced, it's just to contrast against the MiG-17 which is actually only about 5 years newer than the prop plane which came out just in time to miss WWII!

[xxchinookxx]

A copy video of the dogfight and death of the Mig pilot was sent to the family of the gook.

[biukucanoe]

@xxchinookxx Does anybody identify the defeated MiG pilot? MiG-17s gave F-100s, Thuds and Phantoms fits. The MiG-21s when they appeared were used primarily in hit and run slashing attacks. It was the MiG-17 "snakes" that did the dogfighting, but they probably trained against supersonic types and didn't go over tactics of scrapping with slower planes, like the American fighter jocks.

[biukucanoe]

@stupidrider53 They never had much to start with. Unlike Korea when Russia and China sent the best in the world and plenty of it with seasoned russian pilots, these poor b----ds got leftover 17s which was 1st upgrade of MiG-15 after the end of Korean war. They didn't have much to work with except being clever and having tons of SAM-2s, the equivalent of our Nike Ajax. the real problem wasn't next generation of MiGs but the OLD generation of MiG-17s. AA and SAM mean A-1 were rescue escort only.

[biukucanoe]

@TheSuperN00b Yes, too bad they didn't identify the pilot. They certainly did not train how to fight A-1 any more than Thud pilots were taught how to tangle with MiG-17s.

[biukucanoe]

@stupidrider53 Other story is Than Hoa / Dragon's Jaw Bridge where the piece of junk MiG-17s are pitted against the ultra-modern American F-105 Thunderchief and they shot down 3 of them (the Thuds didn't know what hit them, and it was huge commie victory though 3 of 4 MiG-17s were also downed). By the end of the war, they had more aces than Americans largely because they didn't have many pilots who had to fight all the time. F-14 and F-15 were the result of poor F105 showing. A1->A10

[biukucanoe]

@JimBeer61 I never heard of any A-4 MiG kills, though it's probably a better match for a MiG-17 than a bombed up F-105. As bad as the F-105 was as a dogfighter, the

f-111 was worse, the only "kill" was an EF-111 in Desert Storm that flew a pursuing Mirage into the ground. The A-6 is a much higher performance plane than the A-1, but at least the A-1 had guns to nail any Mig that flew across it's 20mm. The F-111A was sold as a fighter, but unlike the F-105 or F-4 deleted guns AND missles