18., 19. The Finale

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• Batman
• Returns
• Soundtrack
• Danny
• Elfman

[vinnielegostudios]

What a Masterpiece. Thank You Danny Elfman

[Teleisawesome]

@Beltzer0072 I don't know what you are quite getting at, going into medieval Knights and stuff now. Bottom line Batman doesn't kill. It was well established and a long time part of his character when the Burton films were made. Sometimes his enemies die, but he always does his best to save them... galaxy raping enemies aside. It really is a HUGE part of his character and a central point to many great Batman tales. And it is that simple.

[Beltzer0072]

@Teleisawesome He uses guns on his gadgets, but I know where your getting at. His nickname is even the dark knight. Knights in medival folklore were the ones whos duty it was to kill evil creatures and monsters, as does Batman, alot of his enemies in my opinion are based on monsters people fear most. Clowns, creatures in the sewer, beings with claws, scarecrows, and mutant giants who seem invincible

[Teleisawesome]

@Beltzer0072 And of course, death is a HUGE part of his two Batman films and an important one... that doesn't mean Batman should do the killing. I agree, it would make allot more sense for Batman to actually kill his foes. AND that's something that is actually an extremely important part of his character. Batman struggles with keeping Joker alive, and on multiple occasions admits to almost killing him for the greater good. It is as much part of his character as not using guns.

[rpsmith014]

@Teleisawesome Yes, people need to grasp onto the fact that the two series are meant to be different from one another, and focus on different themes. I still love Burton's films, but I feel I can actually connect with Bale as Batman so much more than Keaton, and that's just because Bale's motives and morals were explored in depth.

[Beltzer0072]

@Teleisawesome I also don't believe what you said about Burton. I have watched his movies for nearly 20 years and with everyone including Batman, someone dies in a dark state (Sweeny Todd, Beetlejuice, Corpse Bride (even though their already dead), The Nightmare before Christmas (oogie boogie's death). He directs dark gothic films in which death is strongly needed in the stories.

[Beltzer0072]

@Teleisawesome Ok fine your a Bale of, thats cool, everyone has opinion. Still though, it has to be pulled, because that at a time was definately Batman. The whole no killing policy in my opinion is rediculous and as a fan it goes like this. Evil has to be punished for what its done, and the only way it is ultimately punished is death. Also if they are not killed, they are allowed to get away and commit the act again, hence the Joker escaping in every scene in the Dark Knight.

[Teleisawesome]

@Beltzer0072 Don't pull that. Characters change, and Batman had long long long long since changed from THAT Batman. Around the time of Burton's film, Batman had a very strict no kill policy for decades. Burton was called on this a number of times it was so against the character, he eventually admitted he done f*ed up. I loved the movie, just not a fan of Keaton Batman.

[Beltzer0072]

@Teleisawesome You know Batman in the original comics killed criminals all the time. Check out the stories in Detective Comics #27-#37 (before Robin was introduced), you'll see Batman was indeed very dark like in the Burton films

[Teleisawesome]

@rpsmith014 I agree, I never could get behind Michael Keaton as Bruce Wayne. I think it's the fact he purposefully killed someone in the movies. When he did that, he was no longer batman imo. I know it's silly of me, but I think its more subconscious than anything else. However, I loved the Penguin in this movie. DeVito was an equal to TDK's Joker and Two-Face imo. He was a much more surreal character, but hey, that works in this movie!