LOST TRIBES OF ISRAEL IN AFGHANISTAN / DESCENDENTS OF JEWS 3/3 (ISLAM AHMADIYYA)
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The promise has been fulfilled by the promised Messiah in qadian
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Have there been dna tests done on all of therse people, are they all decnedants of israelites? have they returned to Israel?
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I still have a hard time believing that the Pashtuns can be part of the lost tribes of Israel, since Y-DNA shows that nearly 70% of Pashtuns are Hg R1a1. And the Levant Hg J2 exists in really small quantities 2-5%.
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@elmdub I have the luxury of reading and analysing different scriptural (including Jewish, Muslim and others), medical and historical evidence to have the belief about Jesus' survival from this accursed death on the cross and then his migration towards East and his natural death in Kashmir. Trust me it is not based on conjecture! By the way Ahmadi Muslims are not the only ones to have this belief, watch this: /watch?v=zqp2bgB5DmE
Please reply to my previous comments too.
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@elmdub As I said earlier the words are not the same in both the verses. Even if they were, it would have made no difference. There is a context to every verse. Anyway verse 19:33/34 uses the term "ub'athu". Such raising is mentioned by Quran in regards to every single soul after death in the following words: "And He it is Who gave you life, then He will cause you to DIE, then will He GIVE YOU LIFE AGAIN. Surely, man is most ungrateful." (22:66/67). I will provide more references if you want.
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@elmdub I thought we were having one to one discussion, why have you started addressing me as a third person suddenly is beyond me. Back to the topic now. First correction; The words in the verse weren't "I shall be raised alive" rather "I shall be raised back to life". Secondly the Arabic word in verse 19:33/34 is NOT "RAFA'A" rather "YUB'ATHU". This is the raising of the soul that everyone experiences after death. So did Jesus after his natural death...
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@elmdub Before, you accuse me of "lying" for my version of Islam, I would advise you to keep the discussion to the topic it is and not to side track it to personal attacks. You neither know me personally nor you know anything about my intentions. I would also request you to keep your comments to 3 or 4 maximum and not write so many comments, when you are so concerned about me answering every single bit of your comment. If you need reference to any of my previous comments, just ask.
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where is the logic? Or even it's sequence? So at the end of it your just stating your opinion not factual interpretations, and the text accuses of christians and jews of conjectures, in Islam there is conjecture about what the text and what really happened to Jesus, hypocrisy!
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the swoon theory is IMPOSSIBLE to apply because of vs.159 the ahmadiyyans embracing of the swoon theory is even condemned by mainstream,traditional, and orthodox sunni Islam as heretical, which adapts the substitution theory..
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is Yesua in 19:33 is raised alive, is this a spiritual journey? But it uses the same word. Meaning raised. It was literal in surah 4, just as it was literal for 19:33, was jesus born in the spiritual sense to a spiritual journey here as well? But of course you would not answer my last two question the last time but keep on ranting misconceptions..
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'bal RAF'A aAhu Allahu ilayhi' the word is the same word used in both ayats about the same subject, i.e raf'a. What a coincidence? But one means to spiritual journey pr status, but the other means literal raising alive, as coming back from the dead? Raising is raising, not some enhancement of the spirit. The text is irrelevant to JPA's poetical sense of 'spiritual journey' this was literal and physical for 4:158 as is 19:33 of the account of what happened unto Yesua the prophet..
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the term 'raf'a' is both used in both ayats in different accounts about the same subject. The life, and death of Jesus. But since JPA says it is spiritual journey NOW to the passage in 4:158 ,my question would be, is it spiritual journey here as well?
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Jesuspassed away who i have been dialoguing with said that raised means spiritual journey but first he said that 'raised unto Allah' means 'spiritual status or honor' in sight of Allah. Let's look at the term raised (raf'a) it is the same term or word in arabic that's used in 4:157, 158 is also used in 19:33
the only thing you have the luxury of having is a lying thoughts,and a heart of a coward, you blocked me elmdub, and removed my last comments of a few hours just to look like you won the debate, and you had the last word! Your a fake, you have to live with yourself and your fallible religion!
JesusisYHWH1 1 year ago
@JesusisYHWH1 I requested you in my previous comment not to post too many comments at one single time as it disrupts the flow of discussion. Despite that, you posted 26 comments all in one go. 26 comts! How is that going to help our discussion? Do you expect me to answer every single comment of yours? This is disruption of highest order. When I saw the number of posts as 26 on my email, I simply deleted your comments and blocked you because I don't want to argue things for the sake of it.
JesusPassedAway 1 year ago
how was he crucified when it says crucified not? Vs157
How did he survive it if he was never crucified? How was he there not long enough if he was crucified not?
2.and why was it appeared for him to be dead, if he was not crucified, contradiction?
3. And moreover why was he raised unto Allah if He wasn't crucified nor dead?
Why did it appear to the Jews for Jesus to had been killed if he wasn't crucified? It's illogical!!
elmdub 1 year ago
@elmdub 1. One is only declared as crucified if he DIES ON THE CROSS. A person who is put on the cross is not declared as one being crucified. Quran only rejects his DEATH on the cross. 2. He appeared to be dead because he went into a state of swoon. He didn't die on the cross hence not crucified. NO CONTRADICTION. 3. Because his enemies wanted him be proved to be accursed of God and be far from God, but God raised his status and honour. It were his enemies who were accursed. ITS LOGICAL!
JesusPassedAway 1 year ago
vs 159 confirms this in surah 4. "and on the day of resurrection He WILL be a witness, against them'' even more it says '' and before his death'' creating two possible interpretations of this verse or the account or the death of jews or christians. Or both can be applied to some muslims..
elmdub 1 year ago
@elmdub The verse doesn't talk about Jesus' life at all, it only says that Jews and Christians will die believing until their death (before his death) that he died an accursed death, but Jesus will be a witness against them on the day of judgement that he didn't die this accursed and humiliating death. Simple as that.
JesusPassedAway 1 year ago