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[princephil1]

@ogiatnas ...by the way, my friend, My teacher is just a carpenter. One of my other teachers is a fisherman.

[princephil1]

@ogiatnas learn the history of Christianity and the bible, my firend without bias... Not just your own denomination's doctrine but include the orthodox and other Christian doctrines in Jerusalem and sorrounding areas up to the present time. Learn what happen after the death of all the apostles, what happen to their disciples, Mark, Luke Timothy etc.. what about the 70 disciples? do they get disciples too? You and I will have to review our scholarship :-).

[ogiatnas]

@princephil1 Please review your scholarship....

[princephil1]

@ogiatnas Part 3 My friend, when we die the dead body itself will know nothing and will return to dust but the SPIRIT can and is able to communicate (prayer), e.g. the case of Abraham, Lazarus and the rich man (Lk 16:23-30) and the spirits of the slain preachers of the word as seen by John under the altar who prayed to God on avenging their deaths (Rev 6:9-10). By the way my friend, you sound like catholic by believing another place besides Heaven and Hell.

[princephil1]

@ogiatnas Part 2 ... Him in eternity. Therefore after the judgment, there’s no need of “elders” (Saints) to bring the prayers of the holy ones (Saints on earth) to our Lord Jesus because they can personally worship Him there (Rev 5:8). Note also that Rev 6:9-10 talks about the saints asking God for avenging their deaths. This is in heaven before the final judgment, my friend. Additionally, Jesus will come back together with his Saints (1Thes 3:13)

[princephil1]

@ogiatnas Part 1: Saints are not yet in heaven??? Are you sure about that, my friend?? Where have you taken that concept? Your own interpretation of “Rev 5:8 is still in future event” is absolutely wrong. Please be reminded that not all in revelations has to happen in the future. Rev 5:8 is definitely talking about a present and a vision of future event that already happened. Why? Mat 25:31-44 explained that in the Final judgment the Holy ones and all the Saints will go with Jesus and worship

[abnormalkano]

haha kulet nung lola

[ogiatnas]

@princephil1 Saints are not yet in heaven ( John 3:13). they are still in the pleasant and higher part of Hades( Abraham's bosom or paradise) Luke 16: 23 or Luke 23:43 and they are all waiting to be resurrected for the 2nd coming of Christ ( 1 Thess 15-18) and be brought up to heaven......Rev 5:8 is still future event. These saints are still dead unlike our Lord who is alive. Please peruse your theology on the context of the Word of God. Religion does not save, only Jesus saves.

[princephil1]

@ogiatnas So, if it does not offend God when a Catholic says "St. Peter, pray for me," we should all rejoice that God has given us the gift of Peter’s prayers (or to other saints prayers as well). After all We are sure that the saints will bring our prayers to Jesus (Rev 5:8)

[princephil1]

@ogiatnas Likewise, when a Catholic asks St. Peter to pray for him, he is not conjuring up a spirit from Hades in order to acquire secret knowledge. After all, those in heaven are "like the angels," and are more alive than we are, since the Lord is "not God of the dead, but of the living" (Luke 20:36–38).