Richard Carrier vs William Lane Craig (4 of 10)

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[TrustyJP]

Richard Carrier reminds me of those guys that treated the OT scrolls like crossword puzzles to find prophecies and stuff on the Discovery Channel. If you look for it, you will find what you want if you stretch the evidence far enough, like people showed by doing the same thing to books like Moby Dick. Carrier's "mythology" argument is mere chasing of rabbit holes, and is no different

Carrier = Epic Failure

What a hack.

[tkovrtwrld]

Craig says basically the same thing in the debate, but that in no way deals with the actual conventions of determining the mythic structure that do apply to ancient genres of literature. So you can't just blow it all off like Craig does.  You actually have to show how the established criteria doesn't apply.

[BoldEvangelism]

Mr. tkovrtwrld,

Where's your full screen sophomoric interuptions for mr. Carrier?

[tkovrtwrld]

Haha. They're on their way. :p I didn't have very nice things to say about Rick's performance if you read my review of the debate linked to in the "more info" section on video 1. I'll probably bring some of that up in the notes when I have the time to sort through his presentation.

[adstanra]

No we shouldn't throw them out, but we must understand that history is trying to understand what happened in the past...we are not there, so we rely on sources.If you are going to conclude that the laws of physics were suspended,you better have amazingly reliable sources. Matthew , Mark, Luke and John do not fit the bill. They belonged to an apocalyptic cult in times of great distress who were writing theological polemics about events that occurred decades before the events.

[Antisyncretism]

Carriers argument basically comes down to 'theres symbols therefore this is fictitous' this based on the presupposition that life is random so therefore a historical account that can have symbolic significance is an impossibility as it contradicts his worldview that history is indeed random.

But this argument is based ONLY on the idea that life is random, and isnt a good way of critiquing the Gospels for truth but would only be valid if the gospels were known false based on OTHER THINGS.

[heathsawyer]

The main characters in myths are usually gods, supernatural heroes and humans

[MrSporkster]

Audio is horrendous!

:/

[pumpstations]

There is another debate where Carrier totally PWN'S Craig. It's just a matter of whom is the better man that day. That is what debate is all about. Like baseball for intellectuals.

[KittenButter]

@TrustyJP

I agree 100%.

[GBart]

7:08 - is someone choking to death???

[btl743]

still waiting for those interuptions...still waiting...

[agnostaxian]

ab, u r probably right. Some atheists are rational and u can talk to them in a reasonable discussion but most (especially here on utube) are just a bunch of ragers who will use any tactic and the most absurd arguments to destroy their opponents. I tell atheists to go to an atheist post and pretend their a xian and watch the f-bombs fly. They also troll and look for xian vids to give them bad ratings then they just rant. And they wonder why no one trusts them.

[abrimestome]

No it's just that they cling to a Godless universe. It allows them to be accountable to no one.