ving tsun wan Biu Jee

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[TURBOTAKESHI]

Grand Master Wan Kam Leung was my Sifu when i lived in Hong Kong in 1998. He is a living legend.

He was Wong Shun Leungs 1st & eventually most Senior student ! That says it all ,if you dont know anything about either of these two men, then you still got alot to learn about Wing Chun....

This guy has amazing power and his Wing Chun is ass kicking, believe me. I have practised Kempo, boxing, Muay Thai & had my fair share off street fights, GM Wan Kam Leung is the real deal.

[fubokuen]

@ozzie1246 No, what you're used to seeing is very poor. This man has great gungfu, actually one of the most obvious examples of real gungfu that I've seen online.

[iApna]

@ShinNytRain - What I learned from Muay-Thai was far greater than some Thai techniques. I was trained to understand the use my weapons and the art of fighting. Ex. This week, I sparred a junior/intermediate practitioner. I let him punch me in the face, body, kick my legs dozes of times, before I answered. When I did answer I hit him 3x and he was running. I gave him the confidence and illusion that he can take me, just so I can draw him close, enough to land solid strikes without effort.

[iApna]

@ShinNytRain - So to claim that Thai schools or MMA don't teach the deadly art of war isn't correct. Perhaps you haven't earned the right or cannot understand what you are learning or the applications for what you're learning. You said "Thai" was your first are you tried. You learned elbows and knees. You can learn elbows/knees from many arts.  Question is did you learn to apply them in real combat and truly understand the weapons capabilities? Technique means nothing without learning to fight.

[iApna]

@ShinNytRain - Cont' There are some really good Thai instructors in the states. You can't pretend to know them all that would be impossible. But instructors such as Coban and Ajarn Surachai Sirisute come to mind. Also many of the techniques learned in grappling whether ground fighting or standing are designed to break your opponents. But being that we practice in class and in competition we have no intent of doing that. On street why not just knock someone out unconscious and have your way.

[iApna]

@ShinNytRain - I am very aware that MMA clubs do not teach authentic Thai, which is why I train in both. But there is a good reason for it. Both my Thai and MMA club teach deadly techniques. But they are reserved for senior students who can exhibit control and discipline. If a student can't spar without control no matter the situation then he cannot be trained to maintain control when deciding the fate of someone's life.

[ShinNytRain]

@iApna -cont- You can't go to a muay thai school in the states to learn the deadly arts of war, because they'll usually end up teaching you the bastardized sports version(Or as they call it here "Cardio kickboxing"). So my thing is the students who use their instructors names or that one style for an ego boost will never use their true potential(If they have any)

[ShinNytRain]

@iApna -cont- You have to trace back centuries of war combat, Muay boran, Muay maa yang, Paak esaan, etc, to see that muay thai isn't being used to its potential. You can see the same in karate, most styles are bastardized into sports or health. Like if you put a BJJ Black belt in the same match with master of penchak silat who has trained for war you'll get very bloody results. My point is that usually the fault falls with the student for picking that specific instructor....

[ShinNytRain]

@iApna I completely agree with the instructor being at fault. But you also have to look at the styles. While I still stick with my stance of "No style is better" the deciding factor will be the TYPE. Like you said, You train in Muay thai, Muay thai was my first style, It was my intro to the world of Martial arts, and the main thing I learned from it is all the elbows/knees in MMA has nothing to do with the style, and what they show you in modern schools isn't even 5% of all muay thai.

[iApna]

@ShinNytRain - Cont' Again - So I might not be a "martial-artist" in the traditional sense. But I clearly understand the difference between learning to "Fight" vs. learning a "style". Learning a style is quite useless if you have not been trained to fight. If your trainer doesn't have at least 50 fights under his belts and half being against "real" pros fighters, then your instructor cannot teach you to fight. Unless of course he is backed up by others who do fight actively.

[iApna]

@ShinNytRain - Cont' - Clearly Ramon did not have any knowledge of how to fight grapplers. He never faced one before so how would he have known? How much better of a Thai fighter could have Ramon become to face a grappler? Would another 10 years of Thai training help? Probably not and he would be an old man by then. So its not just the fighter, but also his instructor and Style (or better put how you train to fight).

[iApna]

@ShinNytRain - Whats interesting is, you said it comes down to the fighter. But Ramon Dekkers a world renowned Muay-Thai legend. This guy is vicious, his technique were flawless, he was awarded the first foreign fighter of the year award. He eventually faced an MMA fighter with half or less experience and lost in a few minutes without the other guy even breaking a sweat. Was it the fighter, the art/style, his instructor? Think about it.