Babylon 5: Valen

Babylon 5 scene of Sinclair leaving to become Valen

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[sunnchilde]

No, I don't think Vorlons are deliberately being "evasive". I think that they just speak on a higher plain, to a higher truth, and we just don't understand. I think Vorlons see the universe differently than we do. Probably because where we are, they have been and what we've yet to learn, they've already forgotten.

It's like we speak in literals and they speak of inner truth and cosmic significance of things so profound we simply cannot yet understand. Ever try to explain war to a 3 year old?

[barak219]

"meaning what?"

*hovers away*

OWNED BE'ATCH!

[Wirrn]

@sunnchilde Partly, yes, this is true. But they like messing with us. You know when Ulkesh said "We are all Kosh"? TECHNICALLY true, Kosh is the name of a personality aspect they all have. But they take their name from the dominant one(In Ulkesh's case, Kesh, with 'Ul' meaning he is completely dedicated to it) so he was pretty much just doing it to be a twat. And of course there's this

"I have always been here." "You said that about me too." "Yes." "I really hate it when you do that." "Good.

[Vistico93]

@suchiuomizu : A part of me thinks the Vorlons were being vague because of how important and necessary it was to ensure that Sinclair took B4 back in time to help win the previous Shadow War. Had that gotten out...even a hint of it, their position would be far worse for it. Of course the other part of me thinks they were just being dicks believe whole-heartedly in their superiority over others and will only tell you what you need to know when you need to know it.

[TheShrek68]

@sunnchilde its simple to explane u say 'War is that thing where 2 groups of people hwo don't like each other find the only way to settle they diffrences is to distroy each other untill one side or the other wins'' '' but in war there is no winner only losers for in the end both side are distroyed'' if the child says i dont understand u say 'thats ok neather do i'' :( LOL

[suchiuomizu]

@sunnchilde I don't know, both Ulkesh (was he ever vague beyond his "We are all Kosh" introduction and perhaps his few lines in "The Beginning"?) and sometimes Kosh could be perfectly blunt when they wanted to be. And he could easily have explained what he meant, but that would have ruined the surprise for the audience.

[ChristopherDone]

@sunnchilde Indeed, you only have to speak to a mathematician or a physicist or biologist, etc. to see this; try as valiantly hard as they might, it's very difficult to explain anything in "real terms" to intelligent, reasonable laymen. That's from maybe 200 years of development since the age of enlightenment. Can't imagine what hundreds or thousands of years of development would do to *one living mind*, nevermind a whole civilisation of these beings.

[TheMacBeth13]

@bigabs18281 The book was written by Kathryn M. Drennan (at the time that she wrote it she was still married to Straczynski) The book's main outline was done by Straczynski and then Drennan filled in and fleshed out the story. There is a forward in the book by Joe stating that "this is the very first one [book] that is considered canonical in every small detail." Any other questions feel free to PM me. :)

[bigabs18281]

@TheMacBeth13 wow how do u know that about him considering it canon? that awesome... is there many books? r they all in the same class...? coz i know star trek books r never considered canon... anyway, cheers....

[TheMacBeth13]

@bigabs18281 The book To Dream In The City of Sorrows explains a lot about what happened to Sinclair after leaving Babylon 5 and where he learned Ulkesh Naranek's name and spent time with Rathenn, the Satai in this clip. It is a very good read and J.M. Straczynski considers it to be 100% cannon.

[Marynorton13]

As far as concern about spoilers goes, I don't think anyone worried about learning things they haven't got to yet would watch clips. I might be wrong, I am just guessing based on the fact that I and my friends won't even watch fan music videos until we're past the season the clips are from. I am willing to concede that we're an odd bunch but then again thats why we get along.