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Aft cg's will cause a tougher stall recovery and even a flat spin. Effective elevator pitch is needed to recover from aft cg's since the rear weight wants to keep the nose up. Without the normal elevator range from the improper maintenance done, the elevator became useless in this situation because of the low airspeed over the airfoil not allowing it to pitch the nose down. By this time the stall was imminent and at that low of altitude and breaking into a spin, there was no way of recovering.
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I have flown many airplanes with CG off back, you just have to push nose down and trim down and they fly well. Actually, they cruise faster that way. Cargo pilots do it a lot. If you don't, it will stall like in this video. They were screaming to push the nose down and neither did. Others had 9 take off and landings before (READ), and just did that. But this crew were just sitting there waiting for plane to do anything. I know CFI's that can't push nose down if low.
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Seriously. Apparently you have no idea what happened. Yes, the CG was overloaded and past the aft position. The plane did however respond normally until the gear was raised and shifted the weight even farther aft. This caused a severe pitch up of the nose of the plane. With the improper maintenance on the horizontal stabilizer, the crew couldn't get the nose down even if they pitched down, which they probably did seeing as the high nose pitch they were at. Oh, I'm a CFI also.
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It's amazing how this company skimped on maintenance but they spared no expense hiring the best PR firm to sweep this accident under the radar.
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@dustoff86 Not only I read the report and CVR/FDR but also I teach how to avoid that kind of stall for years. They just sat there winning that the nose had to be pushed down like a man should do but they were afraid of it and just waited for the stall while screaming like little girls do. Post a video you doing that.
I have one since 1995 cutting engine at 50 feet agl and landing straight ahead on runway and with a crosswind too. So you are the one is wrong. Read better. I will post
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Wow you could not be more wrong on what happened... please read the report and educate yourself.
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1:26 co pilot tells captain to push nose down, she does not, he takes over and don't push nose down either, 1:31 she yells him push nose down, neither does, she yells loud instead. let plane stalls full power on. As simple as that. Neither could push nose down? Other crews did and didn't stall. This crew panicked and even pulled on wheel while stalling. Just like the Buffalo Dash-8 stall from 2,000 feet down to a house. Panic Pull Stall. One of hundreds each year in USA, most on smaller planes.
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Wow, we are a bit overloaded, wow, that will make me not release some back pressure and avoid the nose from yanking up, wow what do i do we are stalling. Some Pipipilots. They just let the nose jerk up and didn't push down to correct the pitch. Just sat there whinning like girls and let it stall. Nine other pilot landings and take offs were good, but this crew just panicked and even pulled wheel instead of pushing it. Some pilots. They panicked and stalled it on their own hangar, killing all.
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@avionicswirenut They did test the flight surfaces after it was fixed; in fact, it flew NINE times in this condition. However, the airplane WAS overloaded (if you haven't watched this on Air Crash Emergency, you need to see it to get the magnitude of what the NTSB found when they used actual passenger and baggage weights instead of a 70-year-old formula)--IIRC, they were 70 lbs. too heavy.
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@theevilmeister im 13 years old
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What's this Flight Simulator ?
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Do they not do a one time test flight after flight surface maint. in the airline world ???? I worked on planes for 21 years performing avionics maint. and other airframe work on military and civilian planes....The military does test flights after certain types of maint is performed. A rated test pilot flies it before the plane is released for student training...I also rebuilt crashed caravans and those too got full test flights before going to their owners...
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@keshav15157 How old are you?
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weight and balance kids...weight and balance......oh and Icing is a bitch too.. don't put up with her B.S.
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damnit...why do i always watch these videos? I want my mommy...
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this happen due to the back ward wings i heard this is a show name as air crash investigation.......
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this happen due to the back ward wings i heard this is a show name as air crash investigation........
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The "Positive rate... Gear up" sequence was a bit soon, no?
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Did you actually read what you just wrote?
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If there is a woman on the flight deck your chances of being in an accident go up 40%
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They calculated it wrong. That was what happened.
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shitbag operator........that was the cause
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@mlotek9 so?
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Minimum wage outsourced aircraft maintenance was the cause
No, the elevator cables were misadjusted and the c/g was incorrect
sidewalkpaver97 2 years ago 10
Weight was a factor in the accident but it was not an overweight pax. The a/c had recently undergone mx and the turnbuckles for the elevator control cables were set incorrectly.
The crew figured their weight and balance to be with limits, however, the pax weight estimates were outdated and incorrect, and the a/c was actually overloaded.
zachb7 2 years ago 4