Of Gods, Gaps and 5th Watchers

A response to what I thought was a rather loose and untidy effort by 5thwatcher.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgmSKyatjrs&feature=channel_page

When people are talking as he is with contradictions and ambiguities, it often means they are unsure what they themselves are saying. The implications of the 'god of the gaps' fallacy are far reaching, and again I am moved to suspect he doesn't like them...

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[5thWatcher]

I can't believe I never replied to this. Yes, I should have put "unknown" instead of "unknowable". We will totally know those events eventually. Secondly, I do not believe that, given this, I am simply redefining the universe as God. Sure, what I believe in can be and has been called Pantheism, but that's only true in so far as the "physicality" of God, as it were. I do also think he's a conscious entity who has parts and thoughts which are not entirely inside the universe, IE Monotheism.

[xDEMONIZEDx]

@ikkuj The proof for most given arguments are in books or source material in general. That doesn't mean because the proof is out their somewhere you don't have to use that proof to support your argument. Also, I guess you currently speak for the majority of pantheists. I'm sure they would be happy to have a person who is so logically fallacious as their spokesman.

[ikkuj]

@JmkLcAeJsm

Maybe philosophy was the wrong word? The atheist rationale? The atheist way of thinking? As much as a lot of atheists like to claim that "all atheism entails is the lack of belief, otherwise we have nothing in common cause we're all unique and don't listen to authority," every atheist I talk to DOES think/rationalize things in the same way (if you can't isolate it in a lab, it doesn't exist, yada yada)

[ikkuj]

@xDEMONIZEDx

Or are you asking for proof that Dawkins has the wrong idea about my beliefs? Because that's right in his own book. The stuff he says about pantheism is just not what the majority of pantheists believe. He thinks pantheists have demoted God down to the level of our universe, but that's backwards, pantheists have promoted the universe up to the level of divinity.

[ikkuj]

@xDEMONIZEDx

Didn't notice your post cause someone flagged it as spam. And dude THINK about what you're asking of me. You're asking me to provide proof/evidence that I believe something. I don't have to fucking do that! I am telling you what I believe, therefore that is what I believe! What kind of evidence can I possibly give you for that other than telling you?

[ikkuj]

@JmkLcAeJsm

I explained what I meant but perhaps not very well. The interactions of nerve cells give rise to individual consciousness which exists on a "higher level" (think abstractly) than the individual cells. I believe that the same way these interactions sum to a higher level individual consciousness, the interactions of everything in the universe sum to a higher level God consciousness/awareness.

[ikkuj]

@JmkLcAeJsm

Weak atheism you may not consider a philosophy. Strong atheism like Dawkins (the assertion of "no god") is definitely a philosophy.

[JmkLcAeJsm]

How do you reject a philosophy that does not exist? There is no atheist philosophy...

Out of interest, what lends meaning to the sentence 'assigning consciousness to the process', what is it that you're claiming there?

[ikkuj]

@JmkLcAeJsm

I'd say in a way you're right, he's not, but I don't think he's engaging with anyone's belief systems at all. The only people who view pantheism as sexed up atheism are atheists. A pantheist rejects the atheist philosophy and worldview, that's why we are pantheist rather than atheist!