China Threat Debate: John J. Mearsheimer (6 of 11)

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[FAHayek89]

@clearner123 You miss the point of structural offensive realism. Mearsheimer does not believe that the US has a special right to dominance. Offensive structural realism holds that it is the nature of the anarchic international system that EVERY state wants to be a hegemon because every state desires security. The intent of all other states is uncertain and may be hostile, so each state wants to maximize power to protect itself. Power provides it that security. NO one wants peer competitors.

[betalover1]

He is blunt.

But the military superpower called the USA is losing a good fraction of its might in two very small countries in the world.

The greatest problem with military superpower, an (otherwise) progressive one, is that it always has to care about the afterwath that bankrupts it.

[stealthpakfa]

@nenna69 china has 80% exports to others.

US depends on china for its very existence.

the chinese can do without the US, thats why u are seeing china growing at 10% and the US growing at 1%. because china's domestic demand is bigger than american demand.

go china, destroy the US

[nenna69]

@stealthpakfa Yes they do. China's exports to the US accounts for 20% of their total exports. America ceasing Chinese imports would be greatly harmful to China's economy. While China hold 11% of all privately owned US treasury securities. Dumping those securities would have hyper-inflationary effects on the US economy. So you could say that both are in a mutually assured destructive relationship economically meaning that no economic embargoes will be undertaken by both parties against each other

[stealthpakfa]

@jbh0research

actually chinas economy is much bigger than it is now since its currency is undervalued by 50%.

its true exchange rate should be around 4 yuan per dollar.

chinas economy is 40 trillion yuan.

so 40/4 = $10 trillion.

that should be chinas true gdp if they revalued their currency to its proper level. since a stronger currency means a larger economy as gdp is based on nominal exchange rates.

u are totally clueless about economics and finance. i majored in economics and finance.

[jbh0research]

@stealthpakfa

And what would happen if the US defaults? All that money that China has would be worth nothing.

Meanwhile the US economy is three times that of China ($14.7 trillion to $5.9 trillion) and China has about $1.47 trillion of savings that it could use to leverage the US.

Better still, the US has a very high GDP per capita, China has a GDP per capita between that of Iran and Ecuador and a gini coefficient between Guinea-Bissau and Rwanda.

The facts speak for themselves.

[stealthpakfa]

@jbh0research

u dont understand economics. china dont need to buy anything from the outside world because everything chinese need is already made in china. of course us need chinas savings, without that america would default.

china owns america by the balls.

[jbh0research]

@stealthpakfa

Um, ok but the problem with your position seems to be the facts part. America is so much richer than any other country in the world that if you plot their GDP on a graph you can barely see the rest of the world. The US doesn't need Chinese savings, China uses its capital to lower its currency to remain competitive (without which Chinese production would stall), and China doesn't consume anything from the outside world, so is not relevant to the US economy. Facts are cool.

[stealthpakfa]

@jbh0research

US has no wealth without china propping america up. without chinas support, america will collapse and break up.

the US needs chinas savings, production and consumption. without these 3 things, america is a 3rd world country.

american infrastructure is nowhere near the level of china, not even close.

american intellectual powerbase is all dependent on china propping up the american economy.

no one comes to america if the US economy has collapsed.

china dont need the US for anything

[jbh0research]

@stealthpakfa

Might want to check your facts on that one - China holds too much US currency to be able to liquidate it without crashing its own economy and destroying the capital it has gathered in US dollars.

Also, the US won't collapse the way the the USSR did for a number of reasons, not the least of all being that it has consolidated its enormous wealth in the international system, has preferential trade deals everywhere, has the greatest intellectual powerbase and infrastructure.

[powerofthroughts]

I really agreed with previous speaker; china is really a Global success that benefit everyone; I think the u.s is declining due to bullshiting; instead of competitor with EU and Japan in chinese markets; which will help the u.s economy. this speaker is really rubbish

[stealthpakfa]

once china says we are not buying ur bonds anymore, the US empire will be the next in that scrapheap.

all well and good to talk tough when ur economy is being propped up by china, but once that funding is cut off by the chinese government, american economy, military will collapse faster than the soviet union collapsed.

dont poke ur banker in the eye.