Caught in the Crossfire

Prohibitions must end

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News & Politics

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• Prohibition
• Police
• Brutality
• Gang
• Violence

[Boomer1949]

One the pastor video is fake. The guy tells you he has 11 stitches and has been beaten, head smashed into the pavement, yet has no bruises...zip. I've seen people who have been treated the way he said he was and believe me, their faces was bruised badly and a lot of swelling. Total bullshit story. As for legalizing drugs, since I don't use them, I could care less.

[j0hnwi11iams]

You are paying for the PRIVATE FOR PROFIT prison system that incarcerates them.

[Ormaaj]

I'll have to think about what you're saying. My first impression is that your reasoning makes sense, but it is a utilitarian argument, and all such arguments are subject to slippery slopes.

One problem which immediately comes to mind is how to determine where to draw the line as to which laws are overturned on the basis that upholding them goes against utility. You can't just make a sweeping moral decision about a loosely defined category of laws whose reasons for existing may differ greatly.

[j0hnwi11iams]

I think prison should not be used as punishment. It should be used for taking violent members out of society.

[Ormaaj]

I agree, punishment doesn't make sense when it does nothing but force an "offender" to convince people of his innocence even if he committed a crime and believes it is immoral since the severity of the punishment will be too great to justify otherwise. You must convince someone that they did violate a law (they might not believe the accusation). Next you have to convince them it is morally incorrect. For it to make sense a person would have to believe their actions are immoral and not care.

[j0hnwi11iams]

All change comes from within. I don't put that burden on the state. The State should simply focus on the security of the productive members of society. That means leaving people who are simply unproductive alone, and taking the violent people out of circulation.

[RichardRoy2]

I'd have to agree. The amount of money that goes to the "war on drugs" would be far better spent on fascilities to help those with addiction problems, than spending them on the world "policing" of drugs, and the wasted money, and lives of people imprisoned like they were mass murdering monsters. The people are getting wise to it, and, hopefully, the tide will turn, as it did for the prohibition of alcohol.

[komninosm]

They can't make it legal and not allow you to grow your own. And cannabis is way easier to grow than tobacco. And to process. My father makes wine from the grapes around his house. He doesn't have a still but he can use one. There's no need for a permit.

It's only when you sell stuff that you have to get permits because regulatory agencies have to check the safety of your product. You can do whatever you want for personal consumption.

It's better that the government make money than drug cartels.

[Boomer1949]

No, LOL, I'm not a right wing nut job. I'm just saying that if your talking about just legalizing pot. I don't have a problem with it. but if you think the powers that be will allow you to grow your own, think again. You can't grow your own tobacco or have a still. And they are legal because it's a cash cow for any tax the state or Fed want to put on it and makes a couple of hug co. very rich. This will happen with pot.

[komninosm]

Are you an idiot? Do you know how cheap cannabis is to produce? Taxing it is nothing compared to how much the price is affected by the illegality. If you can grow it in your own home the government cannot tax it anyway. Are you a nutjob republican that attends tea parties or something?

Besides, I'd rather the government gets money than crime syndicates. Don't you?

I don't even smoke or drink alcohol. I just find it all terribly hypocritical. Why is alcohol and tobacco legal anyway?

[komninosm]

Yeah, that's what I meant, I was trying to be as laconic as possible mate.

[imnoromeo]

Not quite, You could smoke in the same room as a nonsmoker if that rooms owner legally posts notices that they allow smoking in that room, in which case the non smoker is consenting to being around smokers by entering that room in the first place. Now a smoker could not smoke on public property like a library, park or in the street since anything Public would belong to everyone and your freedom cannot impact everyone if they don't want you too.

[Boomer1949]

I think your talking about pot and nothing else. In that case I guess switching the wealth from the sales of pot to the upper 10% and creating huge farms cultivated by the poor, would benefit the few. I wonder if the same farming subsidies would apply to pop farming, as it does to corn? Who really benefits from this "legalization" You think as a small farmer you would? Or a smoker? Think pots expensive now..let the gov. start taxing it.

[komninosm]

That's right. Except you can't smoke in the same room as a non-smoker and for radical actions (like assisted suicide) there has to be regulation (like mental capacity hearing).

[komninosm]

Drugs do more harm to more than just the user because they are illegal. Like prohibition showed us (gangsters) if drugs were legal they would be cheaper and safer and "less cool" and society would benefit.

[komninosm]

Nice idea.