About the Holy Bible (part 1)

The best way to deconvert a Christian is to have them actually read their own religious book!

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[JBTG33]

Jesus was an amazing man, I try to model my life after him. "Seek first the kingdom of God and all will be given to you"....this is true for me.

[TheMathGuy]

Jesus was a fascinating literary character, yes. And perhaps modeled after a person who really lived. But he was clearly not the height of moral perfection. He supported many of the same outdated mores of the people of his time--not once did he condemn slavery, for example.

[DerrHonda]

I don't like atheists. They don't believe in any values. They are anti-social, one could say: in every criminal lurks some atheist spirit. Because if you don't believe in sin, how can you behave in a decent way?

[TheMathGuy]

Exactly how many atheists do you know DerrHonda? Because I've met some very sociable, very moral atheists. And since when do atheists not believe in sin? Atheists do not believe in God. Nothing more, nothing less. If you look at the actual statistics, a far smaller percentage of atheists are criminals than religious people. Morality does not require a person to declare it to be so any more than 2 + 2 needs someone to say it is equal to 4 in order for it to be so.

[Imaginefree69]

What's silly is that the Bible itself

NEVER claims to be "the word of god",

nor does it claim "inerrancy."

Yet christians insist on painting themselves into a corner

so that they must abandon reason to remain "faithful."

I studied the Bible for 44 years;

it's as full of holes as a sponge.

[ZachariasClub]

@Linkacious1 yeah, thank you too. Most of the debates on youtube are hateful...

[Linkacious1]

@ZachariasClub Yeah exactly. Present all the information and let people decide what they want to do with that information. I just wish religion wouldn't insist you'll be punished if you don't go their way. People use scare tactics within their religion to get what they want, that's one of the things I disagree with.

Its nice to have a pleasant debate on youtube for once, thank you.

[ZachariasClub]

@Linkacious1 I agree with that... but I also feel that if religious theory's are presented later in life, so should scientific theories. (or at least be presented as THEORIES.) **cough evolution cough** but I agree with that mostly.

[Linkacious1]

@ZachariasClub I agree with that for the most part, especially the last bit. Although I'd say the main difference between science and religion is that its politically incorrect to question someones religion, but its fine with science. Hope that made sense. I don't think kids should be taught religion in school until they are old enough to decide for themselves.

[ZachariasClub]

@Linkacious1 well, as you say, science can do things religion can't and vice versa. I see them both as a science. Religious arguing is nearly identical to disputes among scientific theories.

people should come to their own decisions you say, yet in schools children are punished for not agreeing with the teacher. your right, but science pushes stuff down our throats neary as much as religion does.

[Linkacious1]

@ZachariasClub I guess not. Science can't easily quantify feelings, good or bad. But unlike feelings science can, and has, filled a lot of the other gaps and answered some of my questions that religion can't. Plus the fact that when people make, what in my opinion, are wild claims. The burden of proof lies with them to back up their statements with facts. People need to find their own beliefs instead of settling for someone elses.

[ZachariasClub]

@Linkacious1 of course, but science cannot describe joy. (to clarify, I mean my version of joy, not pleasure or reward senses, joy)

[Linkacious1]

@ZachariasClub I think its the size of that leap that's the question. It certainly is for me.

[ZachariasClub]

@TheMathGuy there is no "evidence" true, but how do you "prove" the big bang, or string theory? how do you "prove" that imaginary numbers exist, or that the stars are actually there? I'm not saying any of these things are not true, merely that it takes a leap of faith to believe anything.

[DaBluedude100]

@waffle23456 right glad you get it.