Ibert Flute Concerto mvt 3 Lesson: Tremelo Fingerings

Nina Perlove. flute
How I play the tremelo fingerings
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[OakAged72]

OMG - not only do you think tremolo is vibrato, and you can do it without your diaphram (in your "vibrato" vid), but you also think a trill is tremolo? Please correct your terminology and stop misinforming new musicians.

Pray thee child to Google Almighty for wisdom in these matters.

[ninaflute]

dear Oakaged72: This passage fits definition 1b for fingered tremelo.

tremolo [ˈtrɛməˌləʊ]

1. (Music, other)

a. (in playing the violin, cello, etc.) the rapid repetition of a single note produced by a quick back-and-forth movement of the bow

b. the rapid reiteration of two notes usually a third or greater interval apart (fingered tremolo) Compare trill1 [1]

2. (Music, other) (in singing) a fluctuation in pitch Compare vibrato

[Lecmar91]

You are just amazing....:) Since I don't take flute lessons anymore, you're tutorials are just as good, or even better than my past flute teacher. The only thing is that we're not face-to-face in real life, but through the compute monitor lol.....I was hesitant to approach this piece and buy it....maybe I will today....hopefully you'll have more videos pertaining to this amazing and enjoyable piece......:) thank you so much Nina!!

[amirishl337]

I absolutely love you and your instructional/performance videos, but just a concern. For the D-Bb tremelo, if you use a D fingering for Bb would the harmonic in the tremelo be an A?

[lucasmanuelquinteros]

Desde otra parte del mundo (argentina), GRACIAS!!! Me estaban volviendo loco estos pasajes!!!

[darlingtonflute]

@OakAged72 Honestly, i've played flute for the majority of my life, and i've been taught by every teacher i've ever had that vibrato is fluctuation of volume, and tremolo of pitch. I play on open and closed hole flutes. B. I have done tremolo and vibrato on both open and closed hole flutes. The definitions of tremolo and vibrato are different on string instruments. However, i do agree completely that is ridiculous for there to be conflicting definitions on different instruments!

[OakAged72]

@darlingtonflute Yes, I meant what I said. The words "tremelo" and "vibrato" certainly do NOT mean the same technique on wind instruments nor with vocalists. Tremolo is volume variation and vibrato is pitch variation. Volume does not affect pitch in and of itself (does a crescendo push a performance out of tune?).

Tremolo can be done with open or closed holes because it's done by breath. Vibrato can be done with open holes because the finger coverage can be fluctuated.

[OakAged72]

@darlingtonflute (...con't) And my point that correct definitions already existed still stands.

Re: your ref. book, per Wikipedia: It fudged fact for the non-astute:

"His work was aimed at a reader for whom it 'will neither be beyond the scope of his pocket nor embarrass him by a manner of expression so technical as to add new puzzles to the puzzle which sent him to the book'. The result was a work which was highly accessible to the general reader, as well as being of use to the specialist."

[OakAged72]

@darlingtonflute I do accept that "The Oxford Companion to Music" may support the distortion of of standard definitions in order to simplify things for the beginning flutist, and that it could be said that Nina is just as correct to do so; however I don't agree with the principle of creating incompatible branches of definitions in the first place. What about when a flutist learns another instrument? Why should they have to relearn different definitions for terms they thought they knew? (Cont'd)

[darlingtonflute]

@OakAged72 sorry to comment twice, but did you actually mean to say that you can't do vibrato on a closed hole flute? On stringed instruments the words tremolo and vibrato do not imply the same technique as they do on wind instruments and with vocalists. On flute, Vibrato is a quick fluctuation of volume, which usually results in a slight variation in pitch. The variation in pitch is not intended, but usually happens naturally. This can be done on both open and closed hole flutes.

[darlingtonflute]

@OakAged72 I do agree that this may confuse young players, but just to confirm, Nina is correct. (Source: The Oxford Companion to Music, Tenth Edition, Page 1040).

[OakAged72]

@ninaflute

Sorry but I disagree with your (sourceless) definition's parts 1b and 2. 1a is correct. On a bowed instrument, tremolo is produced with the bow and vibrato is produced with the finger on the string. My guess about how this mass misunderstanding evolved is this: imagine a band teacher telling each section how to produce a vibrato. Since the close-holed flute can't, he had them use temolo instead, said "do this for vibrato" and that got passed down. No wonder so many are confused.