Tom Leykis - The King of Logic (part 1)

Tom Leykis discusses how God had nothing to do with the Virginia School Shooting. Keep listening, it gets REALLY funny.

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[sasquatch13ja]

bottom line: there is no god, there never was, it is always been just a belief, nothing else. want proof? notice that all major religions were all created during the era when there was no electricity, technology, airplanes, or even the knowledge that the continents of north america & south america even existed. the concept of "god" was created for the purpose of the rich & intelligent to control the stupid & the poor.

[mrbrianmccarthy]

@logician3 They cant defend their faith because their "faith" is based on a ludicrous false proposition.And Tom nails the issue here."Believers" are simply intellectually challenged people who cant or REFUSE to think with logic or rationality.

[rmhanzel]

@Trackrunnerful If god has a plan for all of us, how can free will exist?

[Trackrunnerful]

The opposing argument to Tom that this woman was too dumb to come up with: God gave people free will so that people would make mistakes and experience tragedy. Thus, people could appreciate happiness. I agree with Tom though

[sanitydotorg]

Even the concept of omnipotence is self-contradictory. If god is all powerful, could god build a building so high that not even god could jump over it? Booyah!

[boliussa]

@dreday4

so, if you hear reasons or have to come up with reasons that don't seem to make much sense, they may be logical but sound like more excuses, or an inability to even think of an excuse.. It may be, we have insufficient knowledge, we don't understand, but if we don't understand the reasons, in that they don't make much sense to us, then why believe them, it sounds more like faith/gullibility.Particularly if you think answers making more sense seem to tell us it's just humans doing this

[boliussa]

@dreday4

as to the idea that maybe he has a reason, what you're doing is making excuses for him and explaining away the better explanations.Imagine a confidence trickster or somebody that believes in him trying to sell you/convince you of a belief in him, he'd come up with reasons like that,which sound more like excuses / make little sense.Faith is belief with insufficient evidence,or in this case, with insufficient evidence and reason to the contrary that is more sensible.Faith is gullibility

[boliussa]

@dreday4

i'm not suggesting that a good loving god should step in and prevent all bad things from happening, since a good loving god would respect free will. Human beings don't complain when a murder is prevented, that free will was violated! it's about limiting freedoms. Also, Not everybody e.g. murderers too, can/should get what they want! infact it'd be contradictory since one person's will can contradict anothers.

[dreday4]

@boliussa

If God stepped in to prevent all bad things from happening, whether it be to a good god fearing righteous person or a lying, cheating, thief what would be the point of free will? It would be free will to a limit.I don't know why bad things happen to good people, all i know is that when it does, its a tragedy.But i don't curse God for it because i know i lack understanding as to why it does happen.Only God knows.For some, that's not a good enuf explanation but thats where faith comes in

[boliussa]

@dreday4

See, if there was lots of evidence for god then fine, but I don't think we have any, or at least, not much, whatever we have is countered far more by evidence against. but without good evidence for it, we just have a hypothesis and it's not very plausible either.

[boliussa]

@dreday4

not really, because why should one person suffer because another person - a bad one- has been granted free will.. Why can't the all powerful god prevent it at the last minute, so he had his free will but the bullets don't harm the other people. Is it for the bad person to learn, well isn't there a better way for them to learn without hurting all those people? and what of natural disasters?

[MrWatsurname]

@dreday4 Is God all powerful, all knowing, and eternal?

[blackman6270]

The whole concept of something being omnipotent is rediculous and is countered by a very simple type of question. An example: Could God create a horse that even he could not ride?

Discussion won.

The concept of God was created the explain the things people couldnt explain like lightning or the fact that there were other creatures or our very existence. I usually leave believers be , since they have no evil intend, but there's a reason why about 90% of all prisoners are "believers".

[mikesomething]

thanks for posting but please dont make his picture move in and out

[Madkre8tor]

Leykis' "logic" is extremely limited in scope; his circular logic exists within his own mental bubble of ignorance about how the universe really operates. He has absolutely no experience, therefore no knowledge, of spiritual matters. Believing in Leykis' limited "logic" concerning "God" is like listening to Bill O'Reilly tell you things within his "no spin zone" and believing that.

[redphoenix0910]

She had potential to create a good argument but she didn't. All she had to do was mention the Devil. It's hard to believe in God without believing in the devil, right?

[OperatorOscillation]

@dreday4 The people who died are "mindless" and "incapable of thought or emotion." They wouldn't be if there was a god and that god intervened. So if God believes people should have free will then he should have intervened.

[coolbeens21]

Edit:both not bith lol

[coolbeens21]

Free will and a god cant bith exist

[dreday4]

Women with great tits like Jessica Biel's is proof there is a God

[dreday4]

Free will shuts down Tom Leykis' argument. If God came in and stopped every bad thing from happening we wouldn't be human, there wouldnt be good and evil, we would be mindless drones incapable of thought or emotion. We can choose, that's what life is about.

Bad things in this world happen, they happen for a reason, we rarely know the reason tragedies happen. It's life.

[JOHNINCOLUMBUS]

Thank you Tom for putting these idiots in their place, for making them face their ridiculous beliefs in an invisible creature.

[ScentlessApprentice7]

When Tom was talking about the 33 students who were shot and killed and why did "God" choose not to save them and to just sit up there on his cloud, with his arms crossed. I was waiting for that dumb woman to say "It's because they were sinners. It's because their lives were drenched in sin and God had to save others around them from being led down the same road".

For that is the popular cop-out for religious wackos when you tell them why death and disease occur to innocent people and children.

[kwbrilz007]

heres another logic , i like tom but if his logic is this................. god should save everyone who is a victim , which is most, (old people excluded) then hardly anyone would die until old age, and that would make this world pretty over populated even worse than it is now

[Cap285]

This stupid bitch ruins it for normal religious people. I always make the sign of the cross before I make a heavy lift in the gym and thank God if I make the lift or for protecting me from injury if I don't make it. Or before I go out on the ice for a game. I thank God for my health. You can thank God for anything. Thanks for ruining it for the rest of us you idiot.

[XYChromatic]

@xJoeEDangerouslyx You know, being someone who believes in a higher power, I find more times than not that atheists seem to understand faith more than a lot of believers. Go figure.

[xJoeEDangerouslyx]

@H4xx0rM4xx0r Here's the problem. God is all-powerful and Satan is not. So since God is omnipotent and omnipresent, everything that happens is accordant to his will.

For your logic to work, God would not be able to be all-powerful. If Satan were able to cause events that are against God's will, then either God is not powerful enough to stop them or He lets them happen. Either He can't stop them or he won't.

I'm an atheist. Why is it I can reason this out and believers can't? It's sad, really.