History of Bad Ideas #1: Nature=Fascism

"There should be no argument in regard to morality in art; there is no morality in nature."—Auguste Rodin

"I read a quote recently...I'm gonna paraphrase.... 'Just like there's no morality in nature there's no morality in art.' ... people always demand that artists deliver some sort of meaning and truth, and when that truth's hideous they throw up their arms and get upset and have hurt feelings and it's 'you're ruining people's lives' ... the object is to make people feel something. There's no rule that it has to be something good." -Johnny Ryan

"Nature... is vile and base...there's a lot of misery. But it is the same misery that is all around us. The trees ... are in misery, and the birds are in misery. I don't think they - they sing. They just screech in pain...There is no harmony in the universe. We have to get acquainted to this idea that there is no real harmony as we have conceived it... there is some sort of harmony; it is the harmony of overwhelming & collective murder." —Werner Herzog

"Equality does not exist in nature." — http://www.google.com/search?q="Equality+does+not+exist+in+nature"

"The political model of nature is FASCISM!"
there is no charity in the animal world....THERE IS ALSO NO LIBERTY IN THE ANIMAL WORLD! There is no protected private property in the animal world, it's...he political model of nature is FASCISM!

...Equality does not exist in nature. Nature IS Fascistic

The National Socialist "religion of nature," as one historian has described it, was a volatile admixture of primeval teutonic nature mysticism, pseudo-scientific ecology, irrationalist anti-humanism, and a mythology of racial salvation through a return to the land. Its predominant themes were 'natural order,' organicist holism and denigration of humanity: "Throughout the writings, not only of Hitler, but of most Nazi ideologues, one can discern a fundamental deprecation of humans vis-à-vis nature, and, as a logical corollary to this, an attack upon human efforts to master nature." —Peter Staudenmaier /Robert Pois

(on Boyd Rice) Rice's 'big' idea, which he returns to over and again, consists of a reactionary-romantic elevation of nature over culture. It is not so much that his view is reductive (in which case culture would be a mere epiphenomenon of nature); he sees everything that is specifically human as an unnatural and arbitrary excrescence on top of nature. His train of thought starts with an idea he quotes from the German naturalist and artist (and Social Darwinist racist) Ernst Haeckel; "Man is not above nature, but in nature." As far as it goes, this is true. The problem is that Rice's rigidly mechanical mind cannot grasp the thought dialectically, so he draws the mistaken conclusion that "man is synonymous with nature." But this is a very different argument, and it leads to the conclusion that that part of man which is not strictly natural is abstract to the point of unreality. This is clearly a self-cancelling and redundant philosophy: to see this you need only ask yourself why somebody who believes that nature is everything, and ideas are airless distractions, would bother publishing a book at all. The point is that man, while wholly part of nature, is at the same time distinguished from it by culture, and that this culture is every bit as real and effective as nature.

To see what this implies, consider the next stage of Rice's argument, which involves pointing out that nature has no sense of right and wrong, good or bad; "Nature, unlike man, is utterly indifferent to subjective judgements such as 'good' and 'bad.'" The obvious response is to point out that the converse is equally true - that man, unlike nature, simply is not indifferent to subjective judgements. If that were not true then Rice would have nothing to rant about, and his attempts to persuade you of anything at all would be pointless. In fact, the distinction between nature and culture which Rice's entire 'philosophy' turns on is itself cultural and unnatural (but nonetheless real). It is culture that generates the dialectical distinction between ourselves and the nature that is the 'other' we transform in production: Rice's mistake is to reify this distinction and make it absolute, rather than relative.

Rice claims that "Nature adheres to an immutable order," but in fact nature is very much mutable and has a substantial history of its own. One thing we know with absolute certainty is that nature at some point gave rise to culture. —www.whomakesthenazis.com

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Comedy

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• nature
• fascist
• boyd
• rice
• werner
• herzog
• johnny
• ryan
• nazi

[allofthetrash]

"If humans are just animals, then why should we be concerned about justice? We should just obey the law of the jungle."

The fallacy is that the implication that we are animals means that there must not be anything which distinguishes us from any of the other animals.

[allofthetrash]

"Man is an animal, and must go back to acting like one"

[allofthetrash]

(crucially, Redbeard makes no distinction between Darwin's biological theory and its contentious applicaiton to the social sphere).

[allofthetrash]

Satanism...dwells on man's so-called animal nature and animal logic, stressing repeatedly that man is simply another beast motivated largely by primal, animalistic drives. The influence of Darwinian theory is obvious, though implicit. There is only a single reference to Darwin in The Satanic Bible, whereas Might Is Right refers to either Darwin or Spencer on nearly every page

[allofthetrash]

This video is by your typical liberal university instructor (which the author is). An individual that DOES NOT understand culture and biology but ONLY the social contract (AKA irrational human abstraction that always prove to be based on logical fallacies).

[FROMOUTHERE]

the thing is that the nazis were COOLER than the jews. its as simple as that. jews look all dumb and nazis look all badass. so as an artist, you technically have to like nazis, because jews look less good and so if you like the ones that dont look cool then you probably make stupid looking art because you have bad taste. its really alot less complicated than people would like to think it is. boyd rice used to look pretty cool but now hes old and he looks kind of dumb so its ok not to like him.

[allofthetrash]

@FROMOUTHERE thats why we have to make our own cool uniforms that arent nazi. communists have cool uniforms too

[BOKNOWSCOMPUTERS]

video would of been better with red ants

[mefipulate]

Enjoy your time in prison with the athist and drug deas while the rapture comes soon (Cor10:13) And on the day it is assured, one shall merely look in the right direction, and see the end of days are nigh Rekvln 3:3 "And it came to pass the vision supplied for all was available; God made the Chosen aware and thus it was. Furthermore, the fhreeheadde serpent of the ocan completeted her journy from Azeroth and land on the shore of the Land where the Sun completes its journey through the heaven

[mefipulate]

humans are part of nature and that makes you a communist prepare to be picked up bby the govermnent you red fucker i hope you burn in the hell prepared by jesus crist and eerything he said about eternal damnation. you may have done youre research on this video but your wrong becuase you fail to mantion god's plan.

[Raykak]

wheres the punchlien