Irrefutable Refutation of the Kalam Cosmological Argument!

This video, gives a decisive refutation of a very popular argument in Theological Apologetics.
One that many Theists feel, hasn't, and cannot, be refuted.

And re-invokes one of the most nagging
questions, believers in the Judeo-Christian Deity must answer, which is, Who Created god.

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[strangestdude]

@lonematrix48 NDE's don't negate material reality ie. energy/matter. There literally would be nothing for them to witness after death if it was devoid of energy/matter - how you can witness something if it's devoid of substance?

[changeinjoy]

Personally, I don't find the KCA persuasive, but these objections are terrible.

[lonematrix48]

@itzahazylife However, not all of these accounts are merely anecdotal. Greyson and others are testing these experiences with cardiac and other patients.

How this relates to God is that it serves as one more piece of evidence for an immaterial reality. A part of a cumulative case for the existence of God.

*Paul

[lonematrix48]

@itzahazylife "Hallucinations can be invoked by administering chemicals or by stimulating the brain with magnetic fields."

That doesn't address my point. Hallucinations are non-veridical, whereas, NDE experiences are often externally verifiable and testable.

[lonematrix48]

@itzahazylife Can you provide an adequate explanation for these phenomena? If not, it is justifiable to conclude that the mind may survive the brain.

[lonematrix48]

@itzahazylife Yet, these people are able to report goings on in the hospital room during this state and even report events outside of the range of their physical body. How does one explain this from a materialistic standpoint? It seems that unless you can present a physical explanation for these types of events, the best explanation is that the mind survives the brain and that the mind is able to gather information that is physically out of range of the brain.

[lonematrix48]

@itzahazylife Dr. Greyson makes the case that in the extreme cases, the brain and the mind do not seem to be the same thing. This includes NDEs and people with dementia who become lucid prior to death. In his testimony before the U.N. he cites the fact that when the brain ceases to function, it is in a state that cannot support consciousness.

[lonematrix48]

@itzahazylife Others have also cited the difference between the state caused by the use of Ketamine and those caused by the brain ceasing to function.So, it seems that although there may be similarities to the two experiences,there is not a complete comparison,nor can Ketamine provide anadequate explanation for the phenomena reported by those who have experienced NDEs.

Irreducible Mind: Toward a Psychology for the 21st Century By Edward F. Kelly, Emily Williams Kelly, Adam Crabtree, Alan Gauld

[lonematrix48]

@itzahazylife Also, the fact that Ketamine produces similar experiences to some NDEs may not mean as much as you might think. First, it does not mean that the mind is reducible to the brain, but only that when you reduce the effects of the brain, the mind is freed up. It seems that the opposite should be the case as both Drs. Greyson and Alexander indicated.