Four Sources on Messer Combat

Talhoffer, Kal, Codex Wallerstein, Sigmund Emring
*EDIT* The last technique should simply be a cutting off of the hand, without the initial parry.

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• Talhoffer
• Kal
• Codex Wallerstein
• Sigmund Emring
• messer
• sword
• kunst des fechtens
• liechtenauer
• HEMA
• falchion
• memag
• combat

[animematt]

I noticed that all these seem to be counters to the over head slash. What about thrusts, down to up slashes, etc.

[MEMAG]

The cut from above is the most common type of attack with the messer. 4:22 4:35 and 4:48 show counters to thrusts, at least two of which could also have been performed against cuts from below.

[SirOwenCurunir]

Awesome jobs guys!!

I was wondering were you got your falchion/messers? I've been looking for a good one and haven't found any. :)

[MEMAG]

Thanks! We had them custom made from aluminum by Valentine Armouries, who unfortunately don't make them anymore. You can find similar ones online though, if you search hard enough.

[Leondrian]

Thanks again Cory for sharing. Great one. Like that you used helmets.

/Robert

[MEMAG]

Thanks Robert!

[RelativelyBest]

"No sword for you!" XD

[Arnisboy]

Excellent research and nice execution. It's really great to see the actual techniques from the manuscripts in action.

I'm interested in European messer techniques in particular, since I see a lot of similarities (technically and conceptually) between it and Philippine arnis/escrima, especially in the emphasis on hitting the attacker's wrist and "snaking" in the free hand. Great work!

[elgostine]

looks very good. though i cant help but feel the way your recieving the strikes wouldnt be the best for the edge. after a couple of exchanges like them youd see a near saw toothed edge. particularly those static upper blocks.

[DrummerBren13]

Awesome video! Very well-informed demonstrations.

[TheTravelingbard]

this is really great work guys this makes for an excellent reference for a short story I'm writing, the protagonist will be using a Messer :)

[manga12]

well its the way that the traditional clothing is used only in festivals, and by reenactors, or people that like to provoke a reaction by say wearing a huge codpiece or stockings too sizes too small.

though i think some of the cloths from europ are interesting lederhosen for example, and those skirt things the greeks wear, as well as the baggy pants worn in greek dress dont look so manly but it is and has been for many centuries.

[Hiketon]

Cool Video, where did you purchase the swords from?

[gre8]

@Gonnakillyou Actually its from Medieval Total War II

[Gonnakillyou]

Haha, isn't that music from Stronghold 2? :) Nice.

[ChishioAme]

@mailmanofdeth In most cases, you'd be correct, sadly. I'm unashamed to be a student of Bei Shaolin, but I also have a great interest in the messer, the longsword to some degree, and the Russian shashka, though I've found almost NO sources on the last one. More than credit, WMA doesn't really get the respect it deserves and I can only blame Hollywood for portraying it as two people banging their swords together with as much grace as a bull in a china shop.

[xtcarnage15586]

Katana < This

[mailmanofdeth]

it seems that European martial arts doesn't get the credit it deserves, everyone only cares about Asian styles,